Sorry $3000 deep
This is mostly just a sizing question, especially in huge deep pots

V1 fish euro $1200
Drunk and raising a ton of pots pre, (very small sizing) calling wide, plays draws aggressively
V2 another big fish, asian $500
V3 mega drunk white guy $1200
V4 fish indian $3000 Calling super wide. Big station pre and otf

Basically the table is super crazy and loose


Hero tag young asian
Covers all

7 handed
V1 raises $15 LJ
V2 flat hj
V3 flat co
V4 flats btn

Hero 3bets JJ bb to $150

V1 calls
V2 calls
V4 calls

Lol


Flop $600
863r
Hero cbets $300
V1 folds
V2 folds
V3 folds
V4 calls

Turn $1200
8632 ss

Hero's sizing?

Or do we start thinking about pot control now?

I think we definitely need to start thinking about pot controlling. I don't hate a check on the turn, are we really trying to go for 3 streets with this hand?

Also you say V is a big station pre and otf, what about ott? Does he fold to a lot of double barrels? If so, I like a check to keep Vs random air hands that he might bet river with.

I probably check, but I also think betting around 500 is ok too.

$550 sounds good.

45 got there, 57, 79 still drawing. Tons of 1 pair hands in his range. b/f $550 and eval river.

Guess the above post is probably right crazy hand
Think checking a street somewhere is best
Guess villain has all sets prob not much 45 but some maybe some random 8x
Villain obv has way more hands >1pair than u this deep
I think checking turn or river has 2 be best here
If he's the kinda v I think he is u could explo bet like 350/400-500 and cf rivers

500 turn 600 river. Is there merit to not cbetting flop (spazz in hand).

I think we have to bet flop for value against a loose station.

I'm fine with the $300.

I don't think station and spazz mean the same thing, quite opposite actually.

We want to bet big with our strong hands against a station.

Oh hell yeah we are. If he is as bad as many stations I have played against we can get 3 streets vs a lot of hands. It seems nuts because its just JJ and you're deep but hero bloated the pot with a massive 3 bet. Not that it was a bad raise, but it just makes absolute bet sizes different. If the pot were 100 otf instead would you have any issues going 50/100/175 vs a station? I wouldnt. So I'm willing to go 300/550/700.

Am i the only one who thinks we should be betting larger otf, closer to 450. I'm not sure how loose villain is... but there are plenty of people I'm ok betting 750-800 ott and jamming a lot of rivers.

I like $350 - $400 on the flop for value. From pairs and draws.

I and def checking one street here, but I think I like to check the river.
We can keep getting value on the turn from those same draws and pairs.

Then on the river we can check and sometimes induce bluffs, so we may get three streets of value. If we check the turn and bet the river he calls with some of his made hands, but folds all of his draws, so we get nothing there.

As for turn sizing, I think I like $700.

I'm not familiar with playing 2-5 super deep but 150 seems huge no? My sizing would be 70-100...

I can see reasons for why 150 but id like some feedback on that sizing

I think on such a dry flop betsizing in this 3b pot could be anywhere from 200-400
I don't mind a check ott but I think a bet is fine too. If check the turn c/c and c/c river.
If bet the the turn id c/c river.

Checking would be for pot control/deception

$150 is better because it can narrow field whereas $100 just gets everyone to call. As evidenced, $150 may not be enough to narrow field. I'd either flat pre with my entire range or 3bet huge to $200. $300 to $400 is good for value and makes it hard for worse hands to raise. Checking on turn is bad because villains can call wide and you're going to check call anyways so bet for value so they can't get free cards. River is a bet small fold or check fold IMO. 75 and 97 are only real draws and he sounds passive enough that he should turn a weak pair into bluff

Yea that makes sense to try and get it heads up... how do you know what will get it HU though? Hero did 150 and it got called by 3 people, does that mean he should have done $250 over a $15 open and 3 calls?

OP say station otf and preflop. Big difference between that and a generally station.

500/650

I would've bet 400 on the flop. In that case I would be betting something like 900-950 on the turn since 1400 would be in there.

As played I'm firing no less than half pot on that turn. I'd lean more towards 2/3. So on the turn the way you played it I'd be betting 800 in to 1200.

Yeah you might get the bad news that you are up against a set or 45 but also in V's range is A8, 99, TT, 97, 75, and all the suited versions of the non paired hands. I just don't think this is the time to give up or go in to pot control mode. Pot control starts before the flop and remember you made it 30BBs to go. There is already 120 BBs in that pot going to the flop and another 120 BBs added after only one street of post-flop betting so the ship has already sailed on this being a small pot.

I don't get it. If Hero is TAG, we should assume you are the specialist ..., lol..lol ..., and if all the other dudes are all drunk euro white or indian fish, why do you need advice how to beat them?

I honestly don't think you will make it in the long run. You got an over-pair and feel that you got the world by the balls. By the turn you already invested $450 and don't know how to continue?

I read somewhere where a dude was saying: "I'm ok betting 750-800 ott and jamming a lot of rivers" ---- ---- -----. That's a good one. Way to go!

there's something wrong with you.

English isn't your first language right? Not meaning to sound out of line but you often don't make a lot of sense and your advice is flawed at best.

Just saw this hand in a CardRunners vid - what happened?