V: friendly with hero. I know he’s playing bigger than he normally does. Has around 450

Views me as solid

H: should have a TAG image I cover

One limp V makes it 25 in the cutoff I call button with Ks10s limper calls

(75) flop 10c8d7s

V bets 60!! We call

V folds

(195) turn 3c

He checks we check

River 6d he bets 60

We shove. Thoughts?

Given the small bet I think it’s fair to call but we know he hasn’t been playing a lot of hands/ has overpairs a good amount of the time with this line

We don’t think he can call off another 305 with one pair.

Flop: looks like either overpair, set, or something like 99 that wants to bet/3b to lock in flop equity and get the tough decisions over with

Turn: not sure why he would slow down on the turn with an overpair when the blank significantly increases his equity against heros range.
May be going for a c/r. Especially after making such a big flop bet. This check shades it more toward T9s/99 pair+draw or AcKc that wants to see a river cheaply...or a cbet giving up. Might consider a b/f but I like the check to get closer to showdown.

River: I don't think it's a bluff, since you will have a lot of the straights, but does look like a blocking bet. Could also be he has one of 99 or T9 just going for value against a perceived weak range

If this guy is just taking a shot and is playing bigger than usual, then this line makes no sense as a hand that would fold to a river raise.

What kinds of hands would bet when the straight came in, but not on the turn? Why do you think he checked turn?

If he was checking to give up, then either he has a straight or your hand is good.

If he was checking to call, wouldn’t he check again on a scarier river?

If he was checking to raise, probably same thing, only because he is taking a shot. He is more likely than usual to not want to open himself up to getting blown off a strong hand.

So I think this is a pretty hopeless raise. If Villain was properly rolled for the game then I’d say maybe this works as a bluff against something going for thin value. But I think that’s unlikely here. It’s especially true because he knows you know he is not rolled for the game, right?

Given game flow it’s kinda hard to describe on here. I don’t think he is opening any 9x hands here except 99

His bet on the river looks scared.

It’s just an lol live read thing.

Then why post it if you know better than people who weren’t there?

You really think QQ is gonna block bet this river? Hoping to get called by your hand or something similar?

Haha crazy.. he literally thought for 3 seconds… and showed QQ and flipped them in the muck.

So the play worked. Just don’t know if I should be doing it all the time.

I think given all the table dynamics/ game flow/ live reads it’s a good play. Hard to describe on the internet though.

If he’s a thinking player he would know that he can’t call a jam without a 9 so you’d never really shove a 9..

Also he should be inducing you in all sorts of fun spots.

Villain should have quite a few 9x hands here (A9s, K9s, Q9s, J9s, T9s, 98s) so that's a bit of an issue for your river bluff. This whole line seems kinda weird, does an overpair check this turn after bombing the flop? This could easily be a hand like 89 or T9 which checks the turn for protection and bets the river small for value. I don't think this is a great spot for a bluff b/c you don't have any blockers and don't really have a nut advantage either.

As played I think 3 betting this PF would be the way to go. Villain is shot taking and iso'ing a fish in the CO, he should have a reasonably wide range and won't want to play a pot OOP against a solid reg when taking a shot so you should have some solid fold equity. He'll likely be playing fit or fold on the flop and you have position.

It was stated somewhere that the only 9x he would iso is 99

It's a strange post, in a vacuum it's a major punt. I don't expect villain to have an op here, checking super brick turn and vbetting on this river is just a really strange way to play it. I'd assume it's either a random bluff with KQ etc. or a 9 that wants to get called/induce. Makes zero sense to raise KT against that range. But you had a read, it was spot on so nh.

I'd rather 3b pre vs scared money guy who respects me unless limper is very bad.

These hands aren’t the best I suppose to post from a “technical”/theory standpoint . In game I’m never 3! This player when he opens. I should realistically fold K10ss on the button against him

It’s hard to express how I felt in game but glad I went with a read and it was correct

Bet flop
Check Turn
Bet River

classic thinnish/medium value line from ok/inexperienced PFR villains so vs that, the river raise when the obvious straight comes in is vg

and on a wet board, he never checks turn with sets/two pairs so he's relatively polarised

However...when the obvious straight comes in and an ok/inexperienced villain bets, he has less thinnish/medium value because he's more likely to want to pot control. SO it's blocker bet/fold hoping to get a cheap showdown, or it's 109 suited type hands that is never folding

I think there's more of the former than the latter, so I think shove is good

Interesting hand , but you have top pair decent kicker why turn a decent hand like that into bluff , rather use a missed draw or bottom pair for this play, as played your K high is likely good more than 50% of the time , take the easy less stressfull play and flip in the call , trust me from experience , also would like to mention if V is capable of value betting thin river here with overpairs then he's capable of hero calling your jam as well ,