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I checked because I couldn't think of a hand I beat that I could get value from but once he bet I couldn't think of a hand I beat that wouldn't check behind other than AK, QQ or air (and this guy is truly a NIT so very little floating would be taking place imo.)

b/f seems like the best line (but it's a lot like 'raising for information') and what if he just calls?

...I throw away big hands all the time but I'm not sure I'm good enough to fold here (it sure does feel like a set to me though... PF, flop & turn action as evidence to this.)

I play it the same way. A bunch of hands got there that make sense, and if we've got an aggressive image (albeit tight), he knows he can get action from you given the board hits your range 100% of the time as well. B/F bloats the pot and pushes us closer to commitment. I c/f this with not a second thought. There are better marks at the table, let's go after them rather than the nittiest one.

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08-18-2010 , 03:00 PM

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Man of Means

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If you bet/fold, though, he will usually muck (or raise, we can't call) the hands we beat, while checking earns some value, in the form or either checkcalling vs a thin turn value bet, or our own river value bet. The only possible drawing/pair hands we extract from on the turn are QQ and TT...mayyyybe AJ if he is stubborn. But he may pay off a river bet with those anyway. We're being a little cautious and exploitable by checking the best one pair hand, but according to the read, he rarely exploits us and thus a c/c, c/f line (or c/c two small bets) is ok by me.

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08-18-2010 , 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Man of Means

checkcalling vs a thin turn value bet,

Nits don't know what thin value is. That's why they are nits.

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08-18-2010 , 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KneedUrDough

Turn: Kss
$212 (2 Players) Hero checks, Villain bets $120, Hero?

he is where we can get away with dumb stuff at lower limit games. If you call as you are telling villain you should be raising, or that he will need 2 pair , but im just calling, then a nit villain will never bomb the river without having AA beat.

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08-18-2010 , 10:07 PM

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Turn: Kss
$212 (2 Players) Hero checks, Villain bets $120, Hero calls $120

River: 7x
$452 (2 Players) Hero? [Villain ~$530 Behind]

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08-18-2010 , 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KneedUrDough

Turn: Kss
$212 (2 Players) Hero checks, Villain bets $120, Hero calls $120

River: 7x
$452 (2 Players) Hero is ****ed

FYP.

I have no good answer as to what to do. I'd bet the maximum I'd be willing to call in this situation.

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08-19-2010 , 12:29 AM

#32

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Originally Posted by KneedUrDough

Turn: Kss
$212 (2 Players) Hero checks, Villain bets $120, Hero calls $120

River: 7x
$452 (2 Players) Hero? [Villain ~$530 Behind]

I check.
If the villain bet 230 or so, i call. We are behind his overall range a bit, but dont have to be good but 25% the time in that case so its ok. If villain bets larger (this villain) i would expect he made sets or 2 pair more. If you think he would never call flop with KQ, then it may be different, but most players cant resist a one card shot at the nuts with overcards to boot.

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08-19-2010 , 10:53 AM

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River: 7x
$452 (2 Players) Hero checks, Villain bets $75, Hero? [Villain ~$455 Behind]

Call, fold, make him fold?

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08-19-2010 , 12:18 PM

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venice10

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You only have to right 1 out of 8 times to be +EV. Any hand that beats you isn't folding to a raise. Call.

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08-19-2010 , 12:34 PM

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call>>fold>>>>>>>>>make him fold

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08-19-2010 , 01:01 PM

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bet 3/5 - 3/4 of turn hoping to take it down. if you get called or raised, you're fcuked. fold if raised. if you get called, pray for an ace on the river.

checking on the turn makes the hand a lot more difficult to play. if he bets, are we pretty sure now that he doesn't just have a pair? if he checks does that really mean he just has a pair? maybe he checks behind with a set to induce a bluff. maybe if you're really good, check the turn. but I'm not that good

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08-19-2010 , 01:06 PM

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didn't see the river. i also meant bet 3/5 - 3/4 on turn*

i can't see the whole board on this page, but you pretty much have to call even though I'm pretty sure he's ahead. am I 88% sure that he's ahead though? yea... probably not, more like 75. call it up. he's probably good and just making a good valuebet, but what can you do.

I really advocate betting the turn man. it just makes things a lot simpler. what card are you hoping for on the river anyhow?

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08-19-2010 , 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KneedUrDough

River: 7x
$452 (2 Players) Hero checks, Villain bets $75, Hero? [Villain ~$455 Behind]

Call, fold, make him fold?

call 100%

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08-19-2010 , 01:44 PM

#39

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Originally Posted by Sashua

didn't see the river. i also meant bet 3/5 - 3/4 on turn*

i can't see the whole board on this page, but you pretty much have to call even though I'm pretty sure he's ahead. am I 88% sure that he's ahead though? yea... probably not, more like 75. call it up. he's probably good and just making a good valuebet, but what can you do.

I really advocate betting the turn man. it just makes things a lot simpler. what card are you hoping for on the river anyhow?

perfectly fine too, but you need to know whether he could raise with KQ or not.

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08-19-2010 , 01:58 PM

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$75-to-call-$527 is an easy call (as it could be AK, AJ, KQ, QQ, TT enough) but...

...when does it become a fold?

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08-19-2010 , 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KneedUrDough

$75-to-call-$527 is an easy call (as it could be AK, AJ, KQ, QQ, TT enough) but...

...when does it become a fold?

Oh boi he set it up for me...

bout tree-fiddy

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08-19-2010 , 02:05 PM

#42

AintNoLimit

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Originally Posted by KneedUrDough

$75-to-call-$527 is an easy call (as it could be AK, AJ, KQ, QQ, TT enough) but...

...when does it become a fold?

for me in the 300+ range, but 350 nails it for sure.

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08-19-2010 , 02:38 PM

#43

KneedUrDough

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'Tree-Fiddy,' seriously? I didn't even want to call the turn.

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08-19-2010 , 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KneedUrDough

'Tree-Fiddy,' seriously? I didn't even want to call the turn.

Honestly I just said tree fiddy for the eff of it

I think the better question to ask is when does it become a call. In this case $75 is a call, a crying I know Im beat call. Which leads to why are we calling if we know we are beat? Answer: fold turn so you dont have to make ghey calls.

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08-19-2010 , 04:01 PM

#45

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Originally Posted by KneedUrDough

'Tree-Fiddy,' seriously? I didn't even want to call the turn.

when turn hits, you have to stop and think which is villain more likely....
to bluff or VB thin if u chk, or call turn bet with more hands.
we cannot start checking and just fold, thats out of the question.

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08-19-2010 , 04:55 PM

#46

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Originally Posted by KneedUrDough

River: 7x
$452 (2 Players) Hero checks, Villain bets $75, Hero? [Villain ~$455 Behind]

Call, fold, make him fold?

This is a great result and one reason why check/calling the turn is possible.

Call. Find out how villain played this. This is not a spot to go for thin value. There are not many sensible raise sizes villain can call with a worse hand and he can be doing this with the nuts thinking that the only way he can get a big pot now is if hero check raises.

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