The reasons we 3b larger are bc villain has already demonstrated a 0%ft3b frequency, because he opened ep which makes 0%ft3b even more likely, because we are deep and the way to get deep stacks in is to start with larger bets pre, and because we have the best hand in poker and we try to put as much money in as possible with these hands. He wont fold. They never do.

As for post, I dont know how anyone could put more than 1k hours into live poker and think this is anything but the nuts. Ive seen these overbet ships hundreds of times, they never make sense for a strong value hand, and they are always the nuts. I've never seen an overbet ship as a bluff, or as an overvalued value hand to this magnitude. The sizing obviously makes it easier bc the larger the sizing the more *worse value* villain must have. This really is the key point.

The reason I'd fold TT is bc it blocks all QTs combos. Honestly I'd want to fold all TT but I'm not that good, so I'd just pick the worst one to be holding. Truthfully, I doubt I'd fold any set in game.

I dont really care what OP posts, bc hh results can be changed, and they are often on this forum. This is always the nuts. Possibly AA i suppose if you wanted to find one spazz hand.

OP says he's a "way too loose player" after saying he opens 10% and limps 10%. I don't think smaller 3b sizes for AA are ever a mistake unless you're making them so small that you get too many callers. In this case, anyone coming in was doing so on the BTN (CO too maybe? OP says he's LP) or from the blinds to a cold 3b. Hardly a situation I'm afraid of with AA.

fwiw I disagree w/ this and have seen plenty of v's clicking buttons and do this with a AQ/KK type hand on this board. however, from what i can remember they were usually OMC types.

this spot is obviously very villain specific so i don't mind folding here and only calling with QQ/TT if we don't know our villain very well, but it is not as absolute of a spot as you are making it, especially with the dynamic where we have been 3-betting this guy a lot. sometimes people just spazz.

also yes, 3b larger

5k+ hours checking in...

I see people overbet ship draws all the time. And people will do hilarious things with AA, not to mention KK that dodged an ace on the flop.

For this large amount, and with all of the talk, I would generally fold here. But if he were shipping say $900, I make the call.

Depends on the Villain, but in his mind we can be effectively underrepped here with the 3bet history. I'd like KK a decent amount if not for the speech.

That all being said, I have no problem with the default "he's got it" when middle-age dude rips in $1350.

When we speak anecdotally about gen pop tendencies wrt bet sizes I think its important to consider $ and not bb. Perhaps folks shove $540 into a $120 pot in 1/2 with something worse than AA on QT5r, but people just dont shove 4 figures without the nuts or a major combow draw. They just dont. 4 figure bets are rare in general, I havent seen a +$2.5k pot in the last several months of playing 2/5. And the few Ive seen this year were massive coolers. They are getting pretty rare in my games, and we have a deeper buy in structure and I am constantly told I play in the best games in the country.

All i can say is if you see AQ here in this spot you need to quit your job and play 60 hours a week bc you are playing in 2008 poker and i envy the hell outta you.

In South Florida, this is a trivial fold at the Isle, a call at the kennel club, and a tank fold everywhere else.

Lol. I would probably not fold KQ at the kennel club. I'll give you that.

agree that the absolute $ amount is a big deal here. and the fact that the guy asks to check down the other hands is a red flag. AQ,KK,KJ is gonna happen now and then though. People hate being 3bet abused and some will spaz.

i'm talking about 2/5 ~200bb deep in my examples. like i said, it is villain specific and you need to know who will do stuff like this; but 3-betting someone over and over can often lead them to spazzing off/stacking off light.

however, i will concede there is probably a sizable difference between villain shoving 800-900 here vs 1350

+1, especially the part about pure dollar amount is essential. Unless villain is a huge whale/drooler, the ranges that ship $1300 here into an uncapped 3 bet pre/firing flop range, is extremely tight.

Taking into account villains preflop range is weighted strong due to sizing, this is TT or QQ an insane percentage of the time after the flop ship.

Results:

He had top set, you can bet your left arm on it.

yeah he had queens

you are playing in a strange old man casino. There is no one else in this board that will share this sentiment. I agree, your casino sounds great, sounds like some passive 2008 poker.

The last time i was at the casino at 2/5 i shipped it for value preflop with TT and got called by A7s in a ~2.5k pot, i swear to god. (it was a strange leveling situation im not gonna get into but no seeing a 2.5k pot in months? wtf). the time before that I got in 3 ways for about 3k on A94 two tone flop with 99, the flush hit and my hand held.

I agree with folding AA but i think you are beating some of his range that spazzed, just not enough. youre absolutely insane to fold TT, because I think QT/55 is absolutely in his range, and AQ KK, even AK or J9 or JK or something totally stupid are going to spaz and do this occassionally

So many people with so much to prove...to strangers on an internet forum.

Bull**** he had top set. Bad fold.