$2-$5 at local Hollywood Casino Bangor, ME. Table is full of regulars. Hero is a regular.

Hero ~$1800 : 27, winning player. Most likely viewed as tight aggressive (tight passive by some). Typically gets respect for raises/bets due to tighter nature. Bought in for $800.

V1 ~$1100 : late 40s-early 50s : Loose-passive style. Maniac style really. Generally will limp any two suited cards, off suited connectors, double gapers, etc. Loves to trap/slow play with monsters. Rebought into the game once or twice, but likely up at this point.

V2 ~$1700 : early 50s (friend helped craft his description, as hero has limited playing time with V2 despite being semi-reg) : Usually tightest player at the table. Likes to enter pots in position with multiple action in front of him. Post flop has been seen going all in without made hands before (willing to raise with FD/straight draws). Utilizes his tight image to play a wider range of hands. Sneaky, and known to play a trappy style vs better players.

V1 is in the game for 700-800 probably. V2 has had a rough day but got it all back and then some (he is in for $1500).

Furthermore, casino runs a 5/10 game once a week, V2 is a regular in the 5/10 game.

UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, Hero limps with 56, Fold, V1 Limps, V2 limps, fold, BTN limps, SB folds, BB checks

Pot ($37) Flop 987

BB checks
UTG bets $25 (~$500 behind)
UTG+1 calls $25 (~$300 behind)
Hero raises $125 total
V1 Calls $125
V2 raises $750 total
BTN TANK folds
BB folds
UTG folds
UTG+1 Folds
Hero??

Observations, V2 showed his cards to player on his left (who obviously didn't have cards). Which led me to believe he was about to muck, but he put a chip back on his cards and paused, before eventually raising to $750.

Thanks in advance for responses.

He has Ac10C or Kc10c. Slim chance he is showing his neighbor the nuts

Let it go you have the donkey end drawing dead.

You know the old adage about not going broke in a limped pot right? Seems like a trivial fold to me with stacks > 300BBs deep. Against a range of TT-77, AcTc, KcTc, QcTc, JTs, Tc9c, T6s, 9c6c, 6c5c, JTo we have 31.5% equity and his raise size it makes it very clear he's playing for stacks here. Any hand we're currently ahead of has great equity and our hand can't improve. Yes it sucks folding flopped straights but being that we've only invested $130 we can comfortably fold here.

Also, I doubt I have played many pots with an SPR of 46(!) but I would assume calling with anything but the nuts is a mistake.

Fold your hand ASAP

If his range is this + the nut straight then we are in rough shape.

Pretty gross spot. Prolly folding but I really really hate it

Puke inducing situation, but unless you think there is a substantial chance villain is on a pure flush draw or might be trying to isolate the manaic folding is right. His range has to be higher straights, combo draws, and possibly some nut flush draws. Even a set can't be happy after the flop bet/call/raise/call raise sequence on a board where it is likely somebody flopped a straight. His range of hands either has good equity or your drawing dead. I think the nuts here is unlikely but huge draws, like Tc9C or AcTc are very likely. Given the small chance the maniac behind you has a better straight or a big draw himself, I think folding is obvious.

The X factor here is the chance that V2 figures V1 for some draw and is willing to raise with a set here. That is a really tough situational read and even then I'm not sure I would want to get involved because there is still a chance the manaic flopped a better straight or a big draw.

The fact that V2 showed his neighbor his cards leads me to believe he had some sick drawing hand, maybe Ac10c as has been surmised. I would fold in this spot.

Against only AcTc Villain is still an equity favorite.

Fold. Villain over limped from late position, so he can have all combos of JTo in addition to all JTs combos. Just as importantly, he can also have 4 combos of T6s based off his late position overlimp.

I would fold so fast I would have forgotten about the hand before it was over. You still have V1 behind you who likes to slow play monsters.

It's not pretty.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

23,760 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 987

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AcTc, KcTc, QcTc, JcTc, Tc9c, Tc6c, Tc5c, JT, Tx6x	89.13%	20,893	570
5s6s	10.87%	2,297	570

I mean based on the action, our hand, the smallest of 3 possible straights, is basically a bluff catcher. And given reads of villains... Tossing it in the muck as I doubt that it's a bluff. What is he raising with on this board facing a bet, call, raise, and cold call... Screams JT to me. Hate to be so narrow in my range, but just screams like he has the nuts and wants to charge the flush draws, or maybe he has the JT with the flush draw himself and wants to fold out the bigger FD's.

$130 invested... Sucks but gotta let it go. Only 26 bb's and our stack is much much bigger than that and I think we need to conserve it and look for a better spot.

Count the pot, FTW....

37+25+25+125+125+750 = 1080 (after rake), and its 625 to call. Right now we're getting 1.7:1, and we need just 37% equity to continue. Clearly we have the pot odds to call here. But this is not the end of the story.

We need to know the following:

Does V1 limp JTx preflop or does he raise IP?

Does V2 limp JTx preflop or does he open raise from IP?

Look left: Does V1 look like he's going to continue in the hand?

How will both Villains react if we shove here?

If we shove, its going to be $2050:970, 2.1:1 to V1.

If V1 folds its going to be $2775:945, 3:1 to V2, 25% equity required to call.

Seems like V1 does not really have the equity to call without a made straight or NFD.

Seems like V2 should not fold essentially any value hand that has redraws: KJ, QJ, T9, 98, sets, , AX, etc.

Probably a good place to fold, but I may not be able to do so IRL.

BTW, your flop raise is way, too small. $200 much better.

This range is horrifically too small. Neither villain has a set here?

I'm not sure how we clearly have the pot odds to call here. Against the widest of ranges (TT-77, AcTc, KcJc, KcTc, QcJc, QcTc, JTs, Jc9c, Tc9c, T6s, 98s, 97s, 9c6c, 87s, 6c5c, JTo) we have 39.5% equity and a lot of those hands aren't piling in a 6x raise into two opponents.

Interesting... I didn't run it, but just estimated it would be closer to 45:55.

Clearly, then, we do not have the equity to call.

Upon request, decided to add in both villain's ranges and revised the range a little bit. Still not pretty.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

3,086,454 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 987

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
5s6s	15.35%	425,585	108,979
JT, 56, Tx6x, 99, 88, 77, 98, 97, 87, T9, T8, Tx7x, AcTc-Ac2c, KcQc-Kc2c, QcJc-Qc2c, JcTc-Jc2c, Tc9c-Tc2c, 9c6c-9c2c, 6c5c-6c2c, 5c4c-5c2c, 4c3c-4c2c, 3c2c	27.94%	723,312	290,540
AcTc, KcTc, QcTc, JcTc, Tc9c, JT, 99, 88, 77	56.70%	1,647,017	218,522

V1 is the 2nd range and V2 is the bottom one.

Ok... so if we just go range vs. range, it is pretty grim.

We may actually not be that bad off if our villains have specifically overlapping ranges.

Board: 9d 8c 7c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.193% 41.86% 00.33% 378 3.00 { 6s5s }
Hand 1: 47.176% 46.84% 00.33% 423 3.00 { AcTc }
Hand 2: 10.631% 10.30% 00.33% 93 3.00 { KcJc }

Either way, its probably a fold in all cases since we are usually going to be up against villains with strong hands and redraws, which we do not have.

Hand 1 and Hand 2 are not ranges.

We probably should not even be raising this flop, just let it go.

I have come to conclude that the majority of LLSNL does not understand the use or concept of ranges properly.

Right...

I was getting at my earlier assumption that we were closer to 45%. I should have said, ETA... nevermind.

I'm not saying we should narrow our opponents down to individual hands.

I agree given daniel's most recent range post we're in bad shape...