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2/5,500BB deep mid set facing turn shove 2/5,500BB deep mid set facing turn shove

04-10-2016 , 05:01 PM
2/5 9-handed game.

Hero(bb) $5k -- tag winning image- up a lot.

Villain(utg1) $2.5- villian seems a thinking semi-loose player who knows what he is doing. One hand villian 3bet vs Lagtard,hero UTG limp/4bet with AA,villian calls 4bet, hero shoves on QJ6 flop, villian folds.
UTG($1k) straddle, villian raises $30,BT calls, hero in sb calls with 99,UTG calls.
Flop($120): K 9 7 hero checks, UTG checks, villian bets$100, BT folds, hero calls, UTG folds.
Turn($320): 6 hero checks, UTG bets $250, hero raises to $700,villian shoves,$1670 to call for hero.

Last edited by maplestar; 04-10-2016 at 05:14 PM.
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04-10-2016 , 05:07 PM
How much does UTG have?
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04-10-2016 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by <"))))><
How much does UTG have?
UTG has about $1k
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04-10-2016 , 05:24 PM
Action in this hand makes no sense. UTG folds on the flop but then bets the turn?

Assuming the pot is HU to the turn, you're getting ~2.75:1, so can never fold here unless V's range is only KK (which it isn't judging by V's description). Easy call.

I would also often lead the flop as I wouldn't expect V to c-bet that wide in a 4-way pot.
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04-10-2016 , 05:40 PM
Pretty much got the 2nd nuts. Villain should have AK plenty
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04-10-2016 , 05:41 PM
call turn or do something else on the flop
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04-10-2016 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RAHZero
Action in this hand makes no sense. UTG folds on the flop but then bets the turn?

Assuming the pot is HU to the turn, you're getting ~2.75:1, so can never fold here unless V's range is only KK (which it isn't judging by V's description). Easy call.

I would also often lead the flop as I wouldn't expect V to c-bet that wide in a 4-way pot.
Pot odds is about 1:2. Villian is UTG1.
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04-10-2016 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by RAHZero
Action in this hand makes no sense. UTG folds on the flop but then bets the turn?

Assuming the pot is HU to the turn, you're getting ~2.75:1, so can never fold here unless V's range is only KK (which it isn't judging by V's description). Easy call.

I would also often lead the flop as I wouldn't expect V to c-bet that wide in a 4-way pot.
I assumed flop description is wrong, not turn.
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04-10-2016 , 06:37 PM
Sorry, this hand has nothing to do with UTG(straddler).villian is UTG1 who has about $2.5k.
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04-10-2016 , 07:16 PM
I lead the flop to try to get more into the pot.
Letting it get checked around would be a large loss of value.

Folding the turn is not an option here.
Call and hope you weren't coolered.

--CM
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04-10-2016 , 07:18 PM
It's 1670:3390 We are getting 2.03:1 on a call.
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04-10-2016 , 07:26 PM
When I said call turn I meant as in flat don't raise his cbet to begin with. It's a mistake for lots of reasons.
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04-10-2016 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Siculamente
When I said call turn I meant as in flat don't raise his cbet to begin with. It's a mistake for lots of reasons.
How about c/c and donk turn about $175?
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04-10-2016 , 09:17 PM
you're super deep with a middle set, why aren't you building a bigger pot on the flop to make the turn and river easier bets for villains to call?
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04-10-2016 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by maplestar
Sorry, this hand has nothing to do with UTG(straddler).villian is UTG1 who has about $2.5k.
Except that (according to your OP) UTG leads $250 on the turn before a raise and a reraise.

He may have folded to this action but it certainly impacts the dynamic of the hand.
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04-11-2016 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Curious
you're super deep with a middle set, why aren't you building a bigger pot on the flop to make the turn and river easier bets for villains to call?
I can think of far better things to do with $2500 than flipping a slightly weighted coin against my favor with it
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04-11-2016 , 02:08 PM
Don't x/r turn if you don't have a plan for how to react to his 3-b or if you don't have a plan for all rivers.

500bb deep in a single raised pot oop with what is usually the 3rd nuts in this spot is not where I want to be making low SPRs. Sure, considering it's a straddle some might say it's 250bb, but it's not. 2500 at 2/5 is a lot different than 2500 at 5/t.

As played I can't imagine folding for that price. But I prefer x/c turn and check river to let villain value own himself on rivers since he should be betting thin with his value range or bluffing. Pretty unlikely that he checks back hands that he bets turn with after we x/c. We don't win the maximum with this line when we cooler him, but we also don't lose the maximum when he coolers us (and our x/r will fold out some of the hands that we crush where we would earn a river bet) so while it looks like we miss value by not building a pot with a hand this strong, the EV equation incorporates wins and losses so if you do the math I highly doubt that x/r turn is that much better if at all. If you could play a $100 pot with an EV of $20 or a $500 pot with an EV of $20, which would you rather do?
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04-11-2016 , 06:17 PM
triple snap fist pump call.

KK is the only hand that beats you
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04-11-2016 , 09:52 PM
Calling this all day.
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04-11-2016 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious
triple snap fist pump call.

KK is the only hand that beats you
And the 16 combos of T8...
As played I call but Sunchips c/c turn check river line has alot of merit.
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04-11-2016 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by shrewsbury91
And the 16 combos of T8...
As played I call but Sunchips c/c turn check river line has alot of merit.

oh really? good.
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04-11-2016 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by shrewsbury91
And the 16 combos of T8...
As played I call but Sunchips c/c turn check river line has alot of merit.
lol at villain raising all 16 combos of T8 at UTG+1
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04-11-2016 , 11:25 PM
lol people itt

you're only getting all the money in ott against KK or 77. You have 50% equity.

but..

0%< V has a straight
0%< V doesn't open 77
0%< the times v does open 77, he goes mubs with 77 ott and does something other than shove

also a big lol to people thinking he will bet/call all Kx + AA and call river. This isn't 2010.

now... how often do you get to play 1000bb pots? and hero wants to play his hand in a way to where he plays a 1000bb pot with roughly ~50% equity.. not a smart idea

so i as said in post #6 just call the turn
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04-15-2016 , 12:34 AM
Results please.
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04-15-2016 , 12:41 AM
Villian did have KK.
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