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01-14-2018 , 06:39 PM
Im UTG, 1k deep first time around the table, i havent played a hand yet, 30 yo wg probably seem distracted, watching football.

V UTG+2, backpack 30 something WG, asked what max buyin was, bought in for 900, seems like a tourist maybe ABC. Hasnt been too active.

Hero gets AA, bets $20
V makes it $65
Folds to hero who goes 180 (looking for a reasonable balanced 4b sizing. Seems like at 2/5 people 3 bet wayyyy too wide and fold to 4b enough that you may wanna go a bit less than 3x, and put some bluffs in, but idk, still not sure on 4 bet sizing.)
V takes a bit of time (not quite a tank but he was def considering what to do) and calls.

Flop ($360) Q77
Hero bets $125 (im thinking maybe i even go a bit smaller like 80-100)
V jams (~600 on top)

Obviously all combos of QQ are in his range, but if his range includes most combos of either AQ OR KK, this is a call, if it also includes like 67/78 it may be a fold. I dont feel like an ABC tourist is 3 bet/calling pre with 78, but mightve gotten out of line with a 3 bet with AQ. I can see him think calling with AQ or KK (thinking about jamming pre with KK).
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01-14-2018 , 06:52 PM
Seems like a fist pump call. There is some probability that QQ slowplays the flop. Saying that, there is also some probability that KK jams preflop. AQ is also a possibility, albeit a smaller possibility.

We also can't factor out that a small betsizing could get a tourist to spazz out on something.

If he has 7x, which he never should? Count your blessings because poker isn't dead.
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01-14-2018 , 08:00 PM
Having achived an SPR of 2:1, I don't think we can fold to a jam from an unknown on this flop.
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01-14-2018 , 08:31 PM
Ok sounds like its snap call. Any opinions on 4B sizing? Should i be adjusting based on position?

Spoiler:
V has QQ
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01-14-2018 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomark
Ok sounds like its snap call. Any opinions on 4B sizing? Should i be adjusting based on position?

Spoiler:
V has QQ
I'd probably go 200-210 preflop. I like your sizing if 5-600 deep or so.
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01-14-2018 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ohsnapzbrah
Seems like a fist pump call. There is some probability that QQ slowplays the flop. Saying that, there is also some probability that KK jams preflop. AQ is also a possibility, albeit a smaller possibility.

We also can't factor out that a small betsizing could get a tourist to spazz out on something.

If he has 7x, which he never should? Count your blessings because poker isn't dead.
87s and 76s make good hands to have in our 3bet bluff range preflop, and given the smallish 4bet and amount left in stacks, you can make a case for calling the 4bet.
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01-15-2018 , 08:28 AM
Looks good.

Flop shove is a snap call. LOL at V having QQ.
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01-15-2018 , 10:25 AM
So i had to come in with an update, because about 5 hours later i raised UTG with 44 V 3 bet me, flop 774, turn Q, (so near identical board to this flop), we get to show down in a big pot (it wasnt all in because we were about $2500+ deep), and he shows AQ, so i can say for absolute fact that this exact V has AQ in his UTG+2 3 betting/ shipping 1k on a Q77 board (although i cant say for absolute fact he calls my 4 bet with AQ, thats still pretty damn close to this hand)
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01-15-2018 , 11:54 AM
100% calling shove was correct by a mile. I'd personally bet 175. Basically low enough for him to think he has some fold equity, but high enough he commits on the flop.
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01-15-2018 , 01:57 PM
30 y/o w.g.'s with backpacks are not usually ABC in the games i play in. But if he that is your read than you can make pre flop bigger as he will be 100 percent for value, three betting from super early position.Post flop the hand plays itself.
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01-15-2018 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by adam levine
30 y/o w.g.'s with backpacks are not usually ABC in the games i play in. But if he that is your read than you can make pre flop bigger as he will be 100 percent for value, three betting from super early position.Post flop the hand plays itself.
Yeah, i mentioned the backpack because of that, at first i wasnt sure (we were both there when the table was being made and at first i thought he may be a shark), but he was a sorta fat smily guy, tourist looking, didnt look like a shark to me. He didnt look uncomfortable at the table by any means, but didnt look like he lived there like the sharks do, didnt know max buyin, didnt have chips in his bag, bought in for 900 instead of the 1k max. So it wasnt a firm read but yeah i didnt think he was a shark.

I think youre right though, should make it more because he is never 3 bet folding, didnt travel all the way to vegas to 3 bet fold.
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01-15-2018 , 03:51 PM
Pre good. Flop is too big. Not folding. Just a hand where you're snap in for 2k, no biggie.
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01-15-2018 , 04:05 PM
Wanting to 3bet more is crazy.

Flop is too big.

It always blows my mind that people jam these spots with the locked up nuts, but they always do. Lol live poker
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01-15-2018 , 06:51 PM
Why is flop too big? It's 125 in 360, with 600 behind.
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01-15-2018 , 07:04 PM
We have the nuts on a bone dry flop and his range is JJ-KK/AK possibly AQs.

You want to make that entire range make a mistake. It makes a mistake to a $90 sizing.
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01-15-2018 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Tucco
I'd probably go 200-210 preflop. I like your sizing if 5-600 deep or so.
I would have done the same - two hundo.
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01-16-2018 , 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
We have the nuts on a bone dry flop and his range is JJ-KK/AK possibly AQs.

You want to make that entire range make a mistake. It makes a mistake to a $90 sizing.
Makes sense. Thank you.
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