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12-14-2014 , 11:40 PM

shrewsbury91

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$2/5 table at Foxwoods, just literally sat down a half orbit ago so I have no reads on any of the players. I started the hand with $500, and villain in the hand covers. He is in his late 20's in a Bruins T-Shirt and did raise once over a few limpers while at the table and won the pot after he made a flop c-bet but didn't show. Still have limited reads on this player.

Hero dealt A

in UTG+3

UTG+1 limps, Hero raises to $25, V 3b! to $75, Hero calls.

Flop($155) A

Hero checks, V bets $85, Hero calls.

Turn($325) Q

Hero checks, V shoves for $330, Hero ???

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12-14-2014 , 11:46 PM

SuqAta8

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why did you x/c flop?

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12-14-2014 , 11:49 PM

shrewsbury91

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Originally Posted by SuqAta8

why did you x/c flop?

If I c/r flop V can fold all worse hands in his range while just continuing with hands I'm pretty much getting crushed by. If I raise, he can fold hands like Q

, AQ, J

. He probably would still call with AKo and I would be free-rolling in that situation; however that is just 6 combos.

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12-14-2014 , 11:54 PM

Willyoman

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Pre is good. Flop c/c is perfect.

I don't see how you can fold the turn.

Yeah, his range includes the 1 combo of AA and the 3 of QQ, but it also includes the 6 other AK hands, which you are free rolling, as well as hands like JhJx, ThTx. I think AQ is probably unlikely to be in a 3-bet range pre.

I mean, I'm not putting it all in Stove, but you're getting 2:1 on the turn (you require 33% equity), and you're 4:1 to improve the times you are behind (you improve almost 20% of the time), and I think you're ahead or free rolling enough to bridge that difference.

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12-15-2014 , 12:01 AM

SuqAta8

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Originally Posted by shrewsbury91

If I c/r flop V can fold all worse hands in his range while just continuing with hands I'm pretty much getting crushed by. If I raise, he can fold hands like Q

, AQ, J

. He probably would still call with AKo and I would be free-rolling in that situation; however that is just 6 combos.

ok, was just curious what your thoughts were, i think x/c is good

honestly this is really tough simply because of the pot sized shove on the turn

its right on the border imo, but i probably cringe call

edit: i actually cant think of a range we're much ahead of. we dont even know if V 3bets TT, or if he would spazz with JhJx instead of checking back

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12-15-2014 , 12:08 AM

Willyoman

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OK, I put it in Stove.

We have 43%+ equity against AA,QQ,AKs,AKo on the turn.

Makes it a snap call.

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12-15-2014 , 12:08 AM

Willyoman

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If you add AQo,AQs, you have 36% equity. Still a call.

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12-15-2014 , 01:21 AM

Jaded Poker 101

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I call here in this situation.

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12-15-2014 , 02:31 AM

bombonanza

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Originally Posted by Willyoman

OK, I put it in Stove.

We have 43%+ equity against AA,QQ,AKs,AKo on the turn.

Makes it a snap call.

+1. no way im folding specially with the stack sizes.

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12-15-2014 , 03:02 AM

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au4all

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Originally Posted by Willyoman

OK, I put it in Stove.

We have 43%+ equity against AA,QQ,AKs,AKo on the turn.

Makes it a snap call.

I'm sure there's a range that we're beating; that's true for almost for every post.

When you add in the hands that we're drawing to 7 outs against how does our equity look?

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12-15-2014 , 03:03 AM

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matzah_ball

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I just fold pre read less and OOP. But easy call now. Freeroll hopefully.

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12-15-2014 , 03:04 AM

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matzah_ball

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Originally Posted by au4all

I'm sure there's a range that we're beating; that's true for almost for every post.

When you add in the hands that we're drawing to 7 outs against how does our equity look?

Very hard for villain to have a flush here. If he can have one, then he's 3betting an EP open light readless, which suggests he might be a bit of a maniac.

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12-15-2014 , 03:49 PM

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Willyoman

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Right. With the Ah and Kh accounted for, and given villain's pre-flop 3-bet, there really aren't going to be many - if any - flopped flushes in his range.

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12-15-2014 , 04:36 PM

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beauvanlaanen

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4-bet pre, playing AK oop sucks. I would 4-bet pre to 180-200 and shove almost every flop. As played I might have just check/shoved flop. As played I call.

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12-15-2014 , 04:37 PM

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beauvanlaanen

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Originally Posted by Willyoman

OK, I put it in Stove.

We have 43%+ equity against AA,QQ,AKs,AKo on the turn.

Makes it a snap call.

I agree with the snap call, but do you think V is check AA on a monotone board? I think V c-bets that 100%.

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12-15-2014 , 05:22 PM

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Mr_Doomed

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You are playing the hand like a bluff catcher correct? We Have TPTK and the nut flush draw this is always a call how you played this hand. You wanted to keep worse in and you wanted to give him a chance to bluff. You achieved your goal now get the money in.

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12-15-2014 , 06:03 PM

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CallMeVernon

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Did you consider leading out on the flop? Why didn't you?

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12-15-2014 , 06:08 PM

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Willyoman

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Originally Posted by CallMeVernon

Did you consider leading out on the flop? Why didn't you?

Why would you?

Do you want KK, QQ, JJ, TT to fold and give up?

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12-16-2014 , 05:22 AM

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shrewsbury91

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Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen

4-bet pre, playing AK oop sucks. I would 4-bet pre to 180-200 and shove almost every flop. As played I might have just check/shoved flop. As played I call.

So you would 4b/f against an unknown? I think calling keeps our range wide while 4b! in this spot narrows our range significantly and it would really suck if we got 5 bet in this scenario.

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12-22-2014 , 06:49 AM

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Parallelflux

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4betting pre is not good. Like OP said, not only are you not keeping your own range wide, now you are making him fold every single hand you have crushed and playing only against hands that have you completely dominated.

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12-22-2014 , 09:02 AM

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samangr

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Originally Posted by Mr_Doomed

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Originally Posted by Mr_Doomed

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12-22-2014 , 09:15 AM

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Gilmour

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Originally Posted by Willyoman

Why would you?

Do you want KK, QQ, JJ, TT to fold and give up?

This.

And regarding to the OP we are for sure not folding, so its a question of just flatting or ripping it in on the flop.

It almost gets me hard thinking about bombing it in on the flop and getting called by AK with no heart and we are freerolling two cards for the flush, but his range of course consist of alot more combos than AK.

So i am on board with Willyoman and the flatting camp. Just to keep our own range wider, giving villain a chance to spazz/represent if another heart comes in and that kind of stuff.

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12-22-2014 , 09:16 AM

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Gilmour

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Originally Posted by Mr_Doomed

+1

Folding is just really really bad the way this hand was played.

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12-22-2014 , 10:25 AM

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fizzypants

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Originally Posted by shrewsbury91

If I c/r flop V can fold all worse hands in his range while just continuing with hands I'm pretty much getting crushed by.

Yeah, but he's checking behind those on turn and river anyway right?

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12-22-2014 , 10:28 AM

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fizzypants

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Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen

I agree with the snap call, but do you think V is check AA on a monotone board? I think V c-bets that 100%.

But why is V cbetting so small on this board with AA?

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