$2/$5/$10 3-handed

Villain is a clear grinder based on his appearance and the string bag full of $500 and $1k chips he pulled out to buy in. Just met but been playing short handed $2/$5 with him for about an hour, table went down to 3 and we started playing $2/$5/$10. He's playing on the tighter side, not seen him get out of line at all but fairly aggressive when he did get involved.

H $2600
V $1225

Villain in sb opens to $30
Hero 3-bets to $90 w/ AhJh
BTN folds
Villain 4bets to $240
Hero calls

Pot is $490
Flop AsKc8s

V bets $140
Hero calls

Pot is $770
Turn Qd

V bets $275
H calls

Pot is $1320
River 2h

V all in for $570

Hero???


Initial thoughts were just how many better hands I have to call with here but we're 3-handed so ranges have to be much wider, especially vs a competent opponent. And we have the best possible suit to bluff catch with AJ I believe.

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V bluff range:
TT no spade - 3 combos
JJ no spade - 1 combo
KJs - 2 combos (we have Jh)
KTs - 3 combos
QJs - 2 combos
QTs - 3 combos


V value range:
AK - 6 combos
AQ - 6 combos
AA - 1 combo
KK - 3 combos
TJs - 3 combos

19 value (57%)
14 bluff (43%)

Getting 3.3:1 odds, only have to be good a little under 25%

Good call? Just fold? Raise turn? 5 bet pre?

I feel like if I played the hand any more aggressively we are getting it all in anyway.

Thoughts on the breakdown of bluff vs value ranges? Is he much narrower here? Any input is welcome.

How many times have you 3bet in the hour you've played with him? Did he see the hand to to SD?

Assuming you're not having a 3bet/DMC war with these guys and because he's playing tight I would reconsider the 3bet pre and I would fold to the 4bet.

Looked at GTO wiz, assume just SB vs. BB with 200bb ... so a bit off.

V mostly bets 25% or 50% on flop/turn (no 33% option, but does do other things) ... so I picked 25% for flop and 50% for turn.

H almost pure calls AJs to the river and then 60% call / 40% fold with this particular combo.


So technically it's fine, I guess.


I would be more likely to fold AJs and call 88 than the solver, esp. vs. a guy on the tighter side opening OOP to both players and then 4betting.


I find it hard to believe V has some of the combos. that robots are bluffing river with, and robots do have better hands here. Indeed AJs/ATs look like the bottom of calling range, and there's about half as much ATs in range:
all 3 QxQs combos.
~3 combos. of AA.
all 4 KQs
~3 combos. of AQs
~2 combos. of JTs
~1 combo. of KK
~1/2 a combo. of AKs
Some A8s (solver has a tiny amount from the 3bet onwards ... but folds all Ad8d on the river *shrugs*).
(note that robots don't have 88 in range as H on the river)

Seems like a terrible board to call down one pair on in a 4bet pot and you block JJ.

He has all the two pairs and sets. I would want KQ here minimum to call down.

If we assume the semi-bluff combos are valid, the frequency with which he continues betting combos is a critical consideration.

With that in mind, I think V shoves turn at some frequency with some of those. $845 into $770.

As played, I'd fold. Turn is a terrible card.

This all looks standard to me. I can’t find a fold on any street.

The problem with counting combos like this is you assume they take this line with KJ/TT as much as AK. I don't think regs will 4-bet most of the suited hands you think they'd bluff, and they'll check turn sometimes with them. Personally I'd only expect to be good against TT/JJ and some T9s/T8s/J9s which besides JJ will flat pre a decent amount.

I think villain should consider shoving JJ/TT with a spade because you don't have that many missed flush draws with the A and K on the board. If they don't call is probably losing pretty bad so I'd fold

That seems just way too nitty vs clearly a decent reg

4bet pre in a live game, 3-broadway board. This hand has two traits of typically underbluffed spots. Fold river IMO

Cbets Ace high flop in 4bet pot, lets everyone see his bankroll, actually isnt out of line shorthanded when he should be. These all just strike me as an unsophisticated ABC player, I fold.

Yeah this makes most sense, a lot of those bluffs probably over bet jam turn rather than smaller value bet to then jam river for only half pot. Felt like a fold but leveled myself into a call just cause we were 3handed and thought he needed to have more bluffs in his range here

indifferent at equilbrium (tried to look at co vs btn 100bb for comparison), would imagine underbluffed in reality (you need him to be 4b bluffing some non broadway type stuff and then run it with like t8ss a5ss qtss type hands whereas he is always going to do this with his value hands - probably too much w aq kq type hands)

side note. should really push to change the game to 5/10 instead of 2/5/10 if you want to kick up stakes 3 handed

Makes sense, I think I was giving villain too much credit here

Why are we playing 3 handed with a grinder?

Do you have much short-handed experience?

Is there literally no other game we could be in, that wouldn't be better than this?

Is this game time-raked?

As an alternative to how this was played, just fold when he 4B's. If you take AJs to the flop in a 4B pot, you'll either be dominated by better AX, or you won't get value from worse on an ace-high board. He's not going to go broke with KK or worse AX on an ace-high board.

The guy bet 20% of his starting stack pre. In a 4B pot, he's going to c-bet small on the flop at almost 100% frequency. If he's a capable grinder, he'll have a pretty good idea if he's ahead or not by the turn, and certainly by the river.

It entirely depends on his preflop 4 betting range, i dont think even quite good and aggressive people 4 bet bluff even close to enough, but this guy is good so maybe hes triple barrel bluffing, but its a bluffcatcher on the turn. I just havent found 2/5 live players to 4b/triple barrel bluff. Like, what, K9? Just total air spaz?

I think im sad calling turn and folding river.

Yeah it was like 3am and I was waiting on a call from a buddy to pick me up so I said I'd play till I had to go. The 3rd player was pretty bad, I think we were both mostly trying to play with him. I have played a lot of 3 blind short handed and usually feel pretty comfortable. I was probably taking down the most pots and had already stacked the rec player a few times for 100-150bbs each time ($5 bb, I guess the $800 stack was more like 80bbs since we were playing $2/$5/$10 at that point)

Definitely let my ego drive the action on this hand a bit, but I mean AhJh 3 handed I'm not keen on folding pre flop. I'm still beating plenty on the flop, the Q being such a bad turn card I should probably just fold and let him take it down. It was just tough after picking up equity and hoping for x-x on the river. The plan was to fold river unless the T came in but leveled myself into a call

Yeah I imagined his pre flop 4bet range could include quite a bit, especially since he's seen me mixing it up playing lots of pots. Don't think as low as K9 but I listed his potential bluffs that I thought he could have

He's far from clearly a decent reg, he's only been known to hero for one hour. He's pretty much an unknown who's been playing tight when it got short and is now 4betting. I would of called pre, but that's just me.

He's far from clearly a decent reg, he's only been known to hero for one hour. He's pretty much an unknown who's been playing tight when it got short who raised from UTG and is now 4betting. I would of called pre, but that's just me.

String bag full of $1ks isnt a good reg or pro to you? Cmon. I dont even need 1 hand with this guy to be reasonably confident he doesnt suck. This is some online player mentality bs.

I think it's not even close.

Your combo distribution is wrong, in my opinion. Who the hell 4-bets with KTs, TT, and triple barrels here as a bluff? And even if he does that, it's still very close to calling a turn bet.

The turn is a fold. You call with AQ+, KQ (the worst hand to call).

OTR you call with AK, QQ+. AQ is borderline, and that's only if you think he is capable of bluffing with KT or QT! Otherwise easy fold with AQ

I play with plenty of regs who come with bags of chips and the majority of them are just "regs" and some are even "fishregs".

And furthermore, I wasn't saying "he sucks", I was simply saying coming into a game with a bag of chips isn't a tell that he's gonna be 4betting with AJo.

If you wanna assume this guy's a good winning pro only based on having a bag of chips that's up to you but I've been playing this game too long to know better.

what is the point of dying on this hill that he's not a reg? the description pretty clearly states that

Reminder of what you said