First hand at the table, so no uber-detailed reads on anyone, but I'll give as much info as I could glean:

Hero ($400): 20s Indian, bought in full and literally just sat down in BB and have only played with one player at the table before who is irrelevant in the hand.

V (Covers): 50s Asian man, has his red chips in stacks of $100, but has the 'degen/gambol' look to him.

From the looks of it the rest of the players in the hand seem to be recreational MAWGs, with only one other player at the table (not in the hand) who I'd expect to take the game somewhat seriously.


UTG folds, 5 limps including V on BU, SB folds, hero checks K8 in the BB.

Flop ($26): K76

Hero leads $20, 3 callers including V who called without much thought.

Turn ($106): 8

When the turn is dealt, the dealer accidentally exposes the burn card which is the A, and this is shown to the table.

Hero bets $85, folded to V who again calls fairly quickly.

River ($276): 4

Hero checks, V instantly announces all-in, hero?



Checking my line for flop and river mostly (although turn sizing also has room for discussion).

I usually check flop with TPMK in limped pots OOP, however in this spot I figured there would be a tonne of draws on this board which I'm way ahead of but will call a bet, and I can easily fold when raised. Obviously there's a decent chance I value-own myself against K9-KQ and 67, but I think the value I can extract from draws and 6x/7x type hands outweigh this.

When called by so many players on the flop I was planning to c/f most turns, however on this particular turn a value-bet is fairly obvious.

On then river V doesn't really have a huge value range, especially since I doubt 5x insta-shoves river here, and T9 would raise the turn a non-zero amount of the time. Additionally, the only diamond combos in his range would be 6xdd. The real question here is whether or not there are any bluffs in his range here, since as we all know, a good portion (I'd say over 50%) of live players simply are incapable of bluffing, especially for significant bets.

How much weight do we give to the 'degen' look, and does this just mean he's liable to show up with more random diamond combos here, or does it put a bunch of bluffs into his range (namely missed hearts and 89 type hands).

Why do you think 5x doesn't insta shove otr? I definitely think it does. I don't think 89 ever snap shoves otr though. He would need to think about whether or not he has sd value. So basically the only bluffs in his range are hearts.

it's a bit tough since we don't have more information on villain.

The odds we're getting on river is a little under 2:1. So in order to show a profit by calling, the villain needs to be bluffing about 35% of the time, right? not a hundred percent sure on the numbers, it's 4:30am atm, so I could be bricking on the math. But if we suspect our opponent is bluffing in this spot more than 35% of the time, then we should call. Since we haven't seen this guy play any hands and know nothing about him, I'm gonna give him credit and throw my hand in the muck. If he bluffed us, I say 'good bluff kid'. But I'll keep an eye on him and try to get position on him later in the session. If we later discover that he's a trigger-happy, risk-inclined, loose, splashy LAG, I'll be kicking myself for folding 2-pair against him.... but until I get that info on him, I'm not calling his river-shove in this spot.

edit: also, his "insta-verbal-all-in" is really suspicious. Not entirely sure how to interpret this. I really doubt anyone is THIS impulsive when bluff-shoving. I think people will sometimes do this as a way to level their opponents into a call. In his mind, he probably thinks that we think that he'd never go all in so fast if he had a big hand. But we know better than that. I'm probably more happy about folding given this tell. That being said, I'm gonna look so stupid when you update this thread saying you called and he showed air >_<''

Results:



Oh, and after having played with him for a few hours afterwards, by the time I was 30min into the session, this hand became a snap-call on the river, as V was playing pretty much any two cards, and blasting pretty much all streets if checked to, and calling down with any pair and any draw if bet into.

Aside from the obvious low suited connectors that this villain could have had and called you all the way down with (many of which have made a straight by this point), I think villain's play could also be any Kdxd (discounting KQ and KJ a little, but K10, K9 and K5 suited diamonds are all reasonable holdings for his button limp).

I think hero's hand is one of those absolute vs. relative value hand problems. And actually here, all we have is a complete bluff catcher. And the only bluff that we can catch that makes any sense is the heart flush. And we know that villain can't have the nut flush draw to bluff with here.

I think I fold this.

X flop also we have blockers to draws

Edit: to drawers otf