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2-4 livegame...Fold or shove 2-4 livegame...Fold or shove

07-01-2009 , 11:04 AM
Fold or shove?

Hi, live game 2-4

$4.00 BB (8 handed)

MP1 ($800)
Villain MP2 ($1200)
CO ($800)
Button ()
Hero (SB) ($1100)
BB ()
UTG ()
UTG+1 ($800)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A , 6
1 folds, UTG+1 bets 32 (std bet on action table), MP1 calls, villain calls, 2 folds, hero calls.

Villain is an incredible donkey and I´ve decided there is value 2 play even marginal hands oop as long as he is in the pot.

Flop: (132$) J, 8 , 2 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 100$, MP1 calls, villain raise 400$, hero fold or shove?

Villain may very well make this play with any draw or have Jx from what I´ve seen. No real history on UTG+1 or MP1 but they seem fairly solid. UTG+1 feels like overpair.
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07-01-2009 , 12:59 PM
call
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07-01-2009 , 01:29 PM
Looks like a fold to me. If htis guy is as donkish as u say, you will find a better spot to stack him then with just a flush draw + 1 over.

I would be interested in hearing from novel20 his thoughts behind a call (unless it was a level) since I find that to be the third best option here.
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07-01-2009 , 02:48 PM
if he has a Jack, then you are 47, to his 53, but if you go all in, you could get him to fold.
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07-01-2009 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by LiveActionPro
if he has a Jack, then you are 47, to his 53, but if you go all in, you could get him to fold.
Exactly what I´m thinking in this spot...but...there are two more players left 2 act after/if I shove...

Potsize when i´m about 2 act is 732$...both thos players have roughly 650$ left...what happens if i shove is they will get a situation where they are most likely given a 3:1 call (based on the fact that the donk will never fold if one of them call...just way 2 much money in pot for him 2 release the hand)...What strikes me in this moment is I may even want another caller with a potential overpair or more likely a combined str8 and flushdraw???

So I´m thinking if there isnt a set out there a shove is definetly the right move? Am I right? And if so, should the possibility of an instacall from a set make me fold?

Another question...is it the right move 2 just check flop in the first place?
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07-01-2009 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by novel20
call
u can´t b serious right?
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07-01-2009 , 09:58 PM
"Incredible donkeys", in my experience, hardly ever fold after raising. If you're shoving here, it's for value against two players.
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07-04-2009 , 08:56 AM
Thx for replies...

I shoved...

UTG+1 thinks for a long time before folding (later tell me he had kings, i believed him)...MP1 instafolds...Villain aka uberdonk calls immediately with J 10

Turn 8
River 3

I turn up my cards and he goes totally mad telling me what a total moron i am, shoving with only a draw...i enjoy the situation in silence
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