Playing an incredibly loose, crazy private game. Stacks are all over the place, with people buying in for the min 100 and shoving blind, and others with 3k in front of them.

Preflop raises are often ridiculous, but even more ridiculous are the calling hands.

Hero (700$): I've played a lot with these guys, and I'm a big winner over the year. I think I have built a pretty loose image although tonight I'm playing quite tight because of all the action. But it's not like these villains have paid attention. I've recently almost doubled up getting value on every street with KK against TPTK.

V1: (200$). He got stacked for the nth time the previous hand. Huge long-term loser in this game. When he has one of his 'favorite hands' (33, 32, TT, QT) he usually gets it in preflop. I know his game very well and have solid tells on him, especially if he hits the flop or not. I'm purposely sitting on his direct left.

V2: (1400$). Calls everything preflop, typical super loose passive fish. A call is an immense range, a raise is close to the nuts. Huge douche and slowroller, but don't know if that's relevant. Never 3-bets light. Has recently won a huge pot after calling a big raise OOP with 82o and flopping the nuts (lol).

1 limp in MP. Guy has about 300$ and is unlikely to limp 3-bet.

V1 (HJ) raises to 26. Very standard raise at this table, almost on the small side with 2 limpers. His range is super wide here, but I'm almost sure he doesn't have JJ+: he would either limp-shove or bomb it right now.

Hero (CO) finds TJ. Typically I would 3-bet isolate V1, but his rebuying short and his current tilt lead me to think that he'll shove a lot in this spot, often forcing me out with total air of flipping. Plus V2 is on the BTN and he loves to flat call, even in 3-bet pots. If I flat V2 will almost always call, nobody will squeeze light, one of the blinds will probably call as well and so will the limper, and my hand plays well multiway, IP against most villains. So I call

V2, as planned snap calls.

Blinds fold, limper folds

Pot: 84$

Flop: 5 T J

Bink. V1 doesn't think long and shoves for his remaining 174. This basically means he has a piece of it, any piece. Any draw, top pair, middle pair, even bottom pair.

I know that whether I flat or raise it's going to look strong to you guys, but against specifically V2 it is a bit different. He clearly doesn't think about pot odds, and loves to flat, especially with all his new found chips. I fully expect him to call behind with all jacks, all flush draws and all open enders, and even some more random hands like gutshots and AT, but he can find a fold if i raise. So I call the 174.

V2 pretty much snap calls.

Pot: 606$ (I have 500 behind)

Turn: A

WWYD?

Flat calling over 10% of effective stacks with TJs against this villain is a mistake, I think. You don't need to flop funky hands to get his money, si I'd just fold and wait.

I think you've justified a bad call pre to yourself retrospectively, looking for as many reasons to play as possible. Do you think there's a chance that you called because you had a pretty hand, and you simply wanted to play? I do that sometimes but recognising it as bad is a good improvement to make to your game.

Just ship the flop, what's with the slowplay with the effective nuts on a draw heavy board against Grand Central, the Gare du Nord and St Pancras?

You might be right but I think it's close. In a nutshell it might be wrong against just V1 but I like it in a multiway pot with deep stacked uber-whale V2 and other potential, deeper stacked callers from OOP. It was surprising to be 'only' 3 way to the flop. Also I trust my reads against V1 on the flop to compensate for a slightly -EV call pre, but maybe I'm overconfident.

Perhaps also you don't realize how wide this guy is opening here. TJ might be ahead of his range, I'm not necessarily looking for implied odds!

(I do like to play pretty hands)

I think slowplaying has virtues. It is a 2x pot overbet, leaving a pot sized bet behind. Your line is obviously standard, but doesn't slowplaying allow this station to make bigger mistakes?

As nasty as it sounds, just 200/fold turn as played. I mean u said a raise from him is near nuts. If u jam turn he's never calling worse/folding better; and we already deduced he's not turning some kind of showdown that u beat into a bluff after u bet turn, basically not reading into a "weak turn bet size" and jump on it.

GeeZ, I can't ever imagine I'm b/f here -ESP with the equity we pick up with the flush draw ott also. Prob betting $180-215 ott/calling it off to a shove and shoving any non-broadway river. Sick turn card. I don't mind a shove otf either-tons of dead money in the pot, but I do get your logic of flatting with the whale behind you and his predictable bad tendencies

Ya you got yourself into a mess. You would of been real happy with your call if a 2 or 3 rolled off.

Problem is there are so many cards that kill your action - or you have no idea what to do.
So what do you do if a AKQ9875 or a diamond come? Those are all really bad cards for your hand - and as you can see.... there are a lot of them.

I think the question isn't what would I do. I think the best solution is to raise to protect your hand. Just calling prices in any draw - and they are correct to be calling as they only have to call 174 to win a massive pot $600 pot with good equity.

So if it was me - i'm re raising all in. We force out draw hands - unless they are bad and the only thing that will call you is a set - which we would of lost too any ways giving how loose the game is.

But as played i'm betting $200 as this looks really strong into a side pot - and prolly have to call it off as we can't be drawing dead - 4 outs to boat up! Still a real **** spot.

This guy called a large raise OOP with 82o. He calls with worse all the time.

Yes, maybe. I just love jamming for massive value against a station with a million draws on the board to charge. It all depends on his respective calling ranges and I don't have stove here right now so I'll have to work out if my gut was right later.

Obv like a call better if V2 has already called but I think it's ok if we expect a call from this whale nearly 100 % of the time. Ship flop. As played, turn sucks but V2s range is still gargantuan. We can't b/f given SPRs.

In this wild gambling game you have a monster (relatively) and should be looking to shovel money into the pot. If you are beat, reload

B-fold is the one thing I'm not considering with the turned FD.

+1 at this guy calls with worse a lot....def. taking this fish to value town....will he call a turn shove with 1pr/fd/sd combos? If not bet $185-216 ott do that when he bricks the river he still feels pot-committed &call s a river shove with 1-pair(a high fd that bricked)

Ya obv did not see fd. The extra equity is enough to get staxs in whichever way, and since v's drawing range will only pay turn and not blank rivers, just jam turn.

I misread op pretty bad so my apologies. Even w/o the fd equity, this would be a really bad spot to b/f given dynamics and tendencies.

My advice is to not get greedy and try and stack two players at once - it's much much harder than trying to stack one player.

Just raise flop - V2 has already contributed dead money to this pot preflop, so you're already winning more than average. There's no guarantee that the awful V2 folds even to the raise with some of his hands (I've got a guy in my game that will call all-in with a nut flush draw roughly 100% of the time, no matter how big the bet).

Raise that shiat up. And never ever ever fold.