2/4 game playing 150+ bb

Hero (1000)(is known as a regular good player who plays balanced and capable of doing lots of **** doesnt get much respect for hands)
V1 (1500)(plays good but can make some dangerious unnecessary plays)
V2 (700)(this guy sets an image as an image from the start and profits by it, def capable of crazy stuff)
V3 (1100)(biggest donk on table calls everything)

8 players lots of limping and raises get 3/4 callers in general

Hero JJ in the Sb. 6 limpers

Hero raises to 32. V1 calls in ep. V2 calls in mp. V3 calls in lp.

Flop comes 872r

Hero ?

Can we cr this? When we cbet we are probably get them all with us cause they will use position relentlessly and try to take down a big pot
Thoughts?

Time to go to value town.

80-85 on the flop. We have a calling station asking to be doubled through.

Any 4 way flop with JJ OOP is going to be difficult unless your SPR is really low or really high. There's a case to be made to set mine with a limp PF and there's a case to be made to raise to $50-60 or so. Your raise size dug a hole.

As played .... this is about your best non-J flop. I like a serious wager here, something like $150-200. Prepare to lose your stack to sets/2 pr.

Such a ****ty spot to get into when you are 250BB+...

"8 players lots of limping and raises get 3/4 callers in general"

This means you should be raising more pre. In EP deep on a limp/cally table I will go 10x-15x to iso one player. It seems weird to be raising so much because you'd expect a lot of folds, but on this kind of table, one player always gets froggy and decides to call.

So now, you are OOP against tricky deep villains with 1 pair and your RIO sucks. There are merits here to check/calling, check/raising, and betting. None are wrong, the rest of the hand depends on what occurs after a bet takes place (which position folds,bets,calls,raises).

This spot sucks. Don't expect to win too much money, and try not to lose too much.
I'm firing one street and giving up if called by any V other than V3. I'm leading out ~85 into 130. You are too deep to check-raise. You could check-call though depending on which V bets. It sounds like you haven't really been paying attention to the Vs (I get it, sometimes when I get tired/bored I just feel like they are going to be raising/doing crazy stuff all the time) - like do they limp SCs? Do they always raise pocket pairs? Knowing how they play can take away some of the MUBS in this hand. However if they really have been unpredictably aggressive, then you don't have a choice but be prepared to give up if you are so oop. We are going to hate over 80% of turn cards and your hand is pretty much a bluff catcher if faced with aggression.

way more preflop. At least 10x, I'd probably go $50.

As played, bet 90-110 and see what happens.


check/raise is bad. It over reps our hand and blows off everything that we beat.