H (365) has a super Taggy image, has 3b and took pots down 3x pre-flop in the last 2 hours. Main V knows me, and knows I don't make the same mistakes an average V would make such as paying off light, chasing draws when not given good odds.

V(covers) is tight borderline nitty. In the last 2.5-3hrs he's x/r 3x on the flop, once when he had TPTK and a ss went all-in, call in between, folds back to V and V ships. He's a recreational player, not really aggro pre, post flop can be aggro with top pair good kicker. I haven't played with V in a looong so dunno know he plays his draws.

On to the hand.

V limps ep, call in between, mp 15, co calls, H on the button with T9 calls, sb, bb, and ep also calls.

F(105): T95
checks to H, 80, folds to V, ships all in for 250 more, folds back to H?

Call all day to me. If he has 55 you're in grave shape but it could be a flush draw.

Snap call, especially with the description of Villain you made.

I can’t fold pre fast enough.

As played it’s pretty close but probably a call. If he has open ended+FD, 98hh, A9hh, TT, 99, 55 it’s just barely a fold. If he has literally any other hand in his range when he shoves here it’s a call. He also might not even have TT and 99 given preflop.

Folding on the button is out of the question. We also have 9h


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Pre is meh. This is like the bottom of my button range in a raised multiway pot. I think playing this hand here is probably close to zero ev at most tables.

As played this is a snap call. Top2 vs a set for a tad over 100bb is just a classic cooler especially against this guy on this board.

Why call pre if you are going to fold top 2 on a draw heavy board? If you only want to put chips in when you flop a straight then just fold pre.

Not thrilled at the aggression but this is a call with spr of 3. Sorry you lost

EZ call and pre is totally fine.

I guess for future refereces, when you flop top two on a wet board we just gotta go with it?

@don't tilt, the unexpected aggression makes you pause and think... not just blindly put money in. I'm making a large bet into 6 people and V is making a relative/absolute big bet for this game.


Thanks for the input

Snap-call...how could you even consider folding on this board with top two? There's a bunch of strong draws he could be pushing, plus most V's at this level just don't fold top pair/GK OTF.

Call pre is fine if you are good postflop. It's ok to play lots of hands in position, especially on the BTN, if you know how to pot control and get free cards and sniff out bluff-raising opportunities. You become unpredictable and have the opportunity to scoop huge pots.

I'm probably too much of a nit to not fold pre.

That being said, I think it's a call. In my area there's a lot of villains that will take this line on JJ+. It's like they catch a flop without an overcard and gii. Whether or not it's a fist-pump depends on how often villain would limp/call JJ+/AXs. If that answer is never, I might be concerned with a set of 5s.

Still call though.

9-10 off even OTB,100 bigs deep is a fold,suited is a call as played this is a snap,vs an extremely tight range of 10-9 suited,Q-J Suited,55 and JJ(choice a weirdly played overpair) and we are 55:45.

Depends on V's tendencies. From str8 stack math you are right, but against someone you can potentially push around post flop, I would call.

It’s a multiway pot with a small SPR. We’re not likely to push anybody around.

Pre is lighting money on fire.

Nobody who is paying attention thinks you’re a TAG if you’re cold-calling range is wide enough to include T9o here.

Fold pre. Supereasy call as played.

This. Pre is awful. Flatting here is hugely -EV, no matter how good you are or how good you think you are

How can you even call yourself a TAG or say you have A TAG image flatting T9o here?

I snap fold pre, nit 4 lyfe though.

AP I GII.

So the consensus is good pre,snap now?

Well I completely disagree. Tight "nitty" V's are EXACTLY who we can push around when IP. That being said, I play sLAG so maybe if I had a very TAGGY image it would be different.

Not that small an SPR either (we dont have a lot of the stack sizes and V covers our $365 pre). And our hand plays very well mutliway when IP.

Perhaps it is a style choice, but this is a bread and butter call/hand type for me OTB for 4% of my stack. I would say "yum yum" in my head when calling pre.