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05-14-2013 , 02:24 AM

Naro2086

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 176

Stacks 100 bb

1 limper (fish), Hero raises to $16 w T

, 1 blind (unknown) calls, fish calls

flop A

checks around

Turn T

Unknown bets $25, fish folds

Hero? Flat or raise?

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05-14-2013 , 02:30 AM

fogodchao

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Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 3,429

raise for value. many bad river cards for you that could potentially kill your action, and you want to build a pot when you are an equity favorite.

make it 90-100 and planning on shoving non heart rivers.

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05-14-2013 , 02:31 AM

peckx063

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 412

Raise to $90. This puts the pot at $228 if you get a call and sets up a river shove for just under the size of the pot.

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05-14-2013 , 03:07 AM

daveMASS

adept

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 784

Yeah flatting here would be losing a LOTTT of value.

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05-14-2013 , 03:27 AM

Nocturnal_Joker

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 389

Never just calling this...the A, Q and Every draw is out there..raise to $90-100 and shove non heart river

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05-14-2013 , 06:43 AM

johnkum

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 193

Raise to $85 imo

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05-14-2013 , 10:54 AM

slimshady1999

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Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 4,313

Raise to 75-80. I think any more is excessive and may scare villains way if they have one pair or a draw. Plus ull have a pot sized bet left on river (and calling station villains are more likely to call river when they call flop and turn and pot is big). U have to raise turn to get value and charge hands to outdraw u, there are too many bad rivers. Only KJ and j9 beat u but u are way ahead wayyyy more often. Call a shove if someone repops it. Against competent or nitty players u may often have to flat here.

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05-14-2013 , 11:55 AM

gobbledygeek

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Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36,230

I'm cool with preflop, although typically I'd have to raise closer to $20+ to limit the field. There's also no harm in overlimping this at super loose tables, imo.

Nice check back on the flop. Better hands are unlikely to fold, worse hands are unlikely to call, we're 3way.

There's a bunch of two pair / draws out there, and only a couple reasonable hands we're losing to (and against those we've got outs). I'm playing for stacks now. I'd raise to $100+ which will set up an easy river shove. I'm probably never folding.

GcluelessNLnoobG

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05-14-2013 , 12:49 PM

Grigory

journeyman

Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 343

Are you checking back all heart rivers or just betting less? Is it foolish to check back horrible rivers such as the Jh?

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05-14-2013 , 02:59 PM

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Naro2086

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 176

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Originally Posted by Naro2086

Turn T

Unknown bets $25, fish folds

Hero raises to $75, villain shoves

Hero?

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05-14-2013 , 03:24 PM

#11

The Rumor

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 9,559

At 100 bb? With 40% of our stack in there already?

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05-14-2013 , 04:36 PM

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Naro2086

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 176

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Originally Posted by The Rumor

At 100 bb? With 40% of our stack in there already?

Well it's 30% and I typically consider being committed around 25%, so I feel like its close, I threw in some numbers into stove but wanted to hear other opinions

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05-14-2013 , 05:02 PM

#13

Avaritia

Confirmed 2500 hour haver

Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 12,248

Snap call and don't be results oriented.

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05-14-2013 , 05:18 PM

#14

peckx063

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 412

Snap, sorry you didn't hit the boat

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05-14-2013 , 05:35 PM

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floppedawheel

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 254

very, very unlikely you're behind to a better set. since that's the case, you have about a 23 percent chance to hit a boat, so you only have to be good on the turn 37 percent of the time. i think you probably are -- you're ahead of AQ, AT and 88 and ahead of the occasional shove vs. a heart draw. yeah, you're behind a good amount, too, but not enough to fold here.... it's possible i'm underestimating the amount of the time your villain would play AA and QQ in this way, but i don't think so....

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05-14-2013 , 06:29 PM

#16

ProFeSSa D

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 117

grunch

I'd def be putting in a raise here, probably around 70-80, looking to get the rest in OTR as long as a heart or a straight card doesn't come in. Puke/fold when a heart AND strt card hits the river and he leads into us for a PSB.

An interesting question here is are we calling V's shove OTT? I think we have to because his shoving range most likely has some two pairs in there along with the straight and even in the worst case scenario it would be around $190 to win $440 (approx) and we'd have 10 outs.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

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05-14-2013 , 09:10 PM

#17

DeepStack bMAC

grinder

Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 475

Raise to ~$100. The reraise give KJ a little more credit but AQ is likely here too or K high FD I prob shove.

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