hero image pretty snug, been card dead only shown down 1 hand in a couple of hours had KK, $925

villain in for 2 or 3 buy ins, get the feeling he's tilted playing a bit looser than he usually would, bit of a fish, seen him stacked a couple of times with top pair and been caught bluffing a couple of times also, $800

straddled to $6, folded to hero in MP with 8 8 raise to $25

v calls on button, pretty wide range here 22-jj, suited connectors, one gappers, broadways, ax suited, only 3 betting qq-aa vs me, 3's lighter vs other looser people at the table (i think) think he flats ak

everyone else folds

flop ~ $55 q 4 3

H bets $30, V raises $70, H ???

i really feel he's weighted heavily to air here, seen him play for a couple of hours and really feel he'd flat with the q or flat 99-jj / sometimes he may have a set or 2 pair but i really think hes bluffing at this point most likely with overs

think all 3 options are viable here, could fold and wait for a better spot.... feel this is incredibly weak

could call, let him barrel his air

could raise and turn it into a bluff

reasons i like raising is we dont give him a chance to catch up, we reinforce our solid table image and we avoid a potentially really tricky decision on turn/river if overs hit and he barrels again

calling though allows us to extract max value when he is bluffing

so if we raise how much?

and if we call, whats the plan on the turn/river?

Fold. Villain has prob all sets and plenty of Qx, and very few draws. We have plenty of better hands in our range to be peeling with. Calling here is spewy af and you have no idea whether he'll be barreling air or middle set.

Even if villain likes to make smallish bluff raises you don't really have a hand to play back at him. Raise is too expensive when you wrong and your hand is not strong enough to just call down.

If you are convinced he is bluffing reraise to $200. You need to make it enough that it look like your committed to the pot with AQ. You are not, the reraise is a bluff and you should give up if called or villain comes over the top, but your hand is too fragile to come back with a small reraise. There are a lot of problems with this line though, if you actually had a value hand you would flat and let villain bet again on the turn, you have to bet more then pot here so the risk/reward ratio is bad and having to do this OOP will put you in a lot of bad situations if villain does call.

Glad you mentioned this. If you have a read villain is bluffing here, click it back but realise your line is full of ****. There's also nothing wrong with calling and hoping villain shuts down w his air ott. But by far optimal play is folding assuming readless.

There are times to take a stand, this isn't really one of them though:

- pot is 50bb but we're going to have to commit a decent chunk of our 250bb stack to fight for it.

- we're OOP.

- villain can easily have us beat anyway and likely won't fold most of that range.

So either we raise, hope he's totally FOS and capable of folding or we get ready to face a second barrel. Costs $170 to win $155.

I guess if you want to rep a set that wants to play for stacks, you can call $35 now, pot is $195 and then raise his turn barrel. Say he leads $125, you make it like $275? and hope he folds. Costs us $300 to win current pot of $155 though.

I would just fold here and not worry about it TBH.

i was pretty sure he was bluffing but yeah maybe not the best spot. was just curious if the was any value in just calling down, letting him barrel his air

given that the straddle is on, we are about 150BB deep not 250. if you really want to go if you think hes FOS, then be my guest

We have to be very aware of where everyone is when we make our preflop decisions. In this situation, the Button who has position on us is (a) deep (b) loose and (c) not ABC. Is this really the spot where we want to build a bloated pot OOP where we're pretty much going to hate the flop 7 outta 8 times? So I open limp to encourage a multiway pot and pretty much setmine.

I mean, the flop is the exact situation that we shoulda foreseen coming from a week away, and yet we willingly walked straight into it having no idea what we were going to do when it happened. We are bleeding chips if we constantly put ourselves in situations where we allow $55 to be stolen from us like this (and yet I agree with most others that we probably do just have to fold here at this point, but there's a good chance hes simply outplaying us).

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how are you sure he's bluffing? you're just guessing. And are you willing to find out for $800 by calling him down?

I don't have a problem with flatting sometimes but we would have to fold to further action and a tilted player is not going to check it down.

fold, especially since there are no draws. Sometimes (probably rare in this spot) we fold knowing we could be folding the best hand but we're ok with it.