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2/3 NL.  FD+Over in multi-way pot. 2/3 NL.  FD+Over in multi-way pot.

05-21-2016 , 01:41 PM
Main villain: ~$172. Knows poker, but is far from good. Overall loose/weak. maybe 40/20pf.

Hero: ~$500. Seen as TAG. Table has seen me play strong hands aggressively w/showdowns.

LP. ~200. Not much info. New, but seems fishy based on lots of pf limps.

EP. ~MAWW, covers hero & fairly competent post flop. PF range of decent LAG. Took a big pot from her w/QQ vs AQ when Q came on flop.

OTTH...

EP limps + maybe 1 other (can't recall at the moment).

V raises to $22, standard at this table. I'm thinking a range of A8+, broadways, and PP.

Hero calls w/ KJ Please critique. I assumed more people would call as the table liked seeing flops.

LP calls, EP limper calls.

Flop: ~$90. Q83

EP Checks, V bets $35, Hero..?

Not sure if V realized he underbet, but calling seems a bit passive. I'm assuming he connected with the Q, which we're ~47/48% against. Given FE I want to stack this guy, but there are 2 players left to act behind me. EP has a wide range and likely didn't connect, but we have no idea. EP's check suggested she wiffed as well. What to do..?
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05-21-2016 , 02:08 PM
what is EP's stack? probably folding preflop tbh. that is a large open from a 55 bb stack. We have a RIO hand and it is going to be tough to get away when we hit a piece due to the shallow stack sizes.

If I got to this point, assuming EP's stack is <$300, I would just ship the flop. Don't expect V to fold too often, but we can profitably get all-in here against him with the extra money in the pot, and any fold equity you may have is just a bonus.
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05-21-2016 , 02:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by QuantumSurfer
EP. ~MAWW, covers hero


I think we need to raise OTF. We have a good deal of pot equity and the hand could go south; not a spot to be offering free or cheap cards.
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05-21-2016 , 02:38 PM
oops! missed that. Make it $120
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05-21-2016 , 03:41 PM
Fold pre. Villain isn't deep enough to outplay him postflop with position. I assume KJs doesn't play well against a weak/tight raising range.

As played on the flop, shove. You should have decent equity when called with around 12 outs. I think villain folds a lot giving his weak cbet.
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05-21-2016 , 05:41 PM
PF is fine against a wide opener (20% PFR is quite wide 9-handed). Raise flop to $175.
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05-24-2016 , 04:10 PM
Preflop is so gross, imo. We're calling off 13% of raisers effective stack with a hand he dominates always? If a whole bunch of other people called before us I could get behind a call, but being the first to call (don't know if lots of others are coming along or 3betting, plus horrible relative position having to act first after likely flop cbetter), yuck. Instafold for me preflop.

This is also one of the reasons we fold preflop: we have at least 2 people in the pot which haven't indicated where they stand (we can't read much into the EPs check-to-the-raiser), making our decision more difficult. If we read weakness into the weak betsizing on a drawy board, we could probably easily commit stacks against the shortstackers with a shove here, but with the deep EP still in the hand that becomes a lot more difficult to do (so I'd probably just lean towards a call).

ETA: I'll admit I didn't pay attention to the on-line lingo of 40/20 which I now assume is very active (which ain't the same as "loose/weak")? Still, calling off 13% of our stack first in is blah.

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05-24-2016 , 10:07 PM
I think the call PF is completely fine given the opener is playing around 40/20 and there is an expectation for other loose calls behind you based on your perception of the current table dynamic. On the flop I like raising to around 150, as this generates a large amount of FE and we have good equity even if we get substantial action. The only hand we're really concerned about is the A high flush draw, and even in that doomsday scenario we still have around 20% to win.
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05-24-2016 , 11:08 PM
Gobbledy, the 40/20 comes from common online tracker stats. It's a vpip/pfr ratio. VPIP stands for voluntarily putting money in pot, either calling or raising. PFR=raising pre flop. I was estimating this V plays 40% of his pf starters, excluding checked bb and folded sb. Half of those he raises with, or 20% of all his pf hands

Despite calling, the first paragraph of your post ran through my mind before making the decision. I did feel weak compared to pf raiser, but I assumed more people would call, including the big blind that we have 166bb effective against. I appreciate your input however as I've noticed a leak in my game stemming from calling with broadways too often.
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