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Originally Posted by YanasaurBBQ
This is live 2/3, people will stack off with as little as top pair + heart here as well as 2p, sets, etc. We're not crazy deep here. Its far more likely we are stacking a T9 or 55 than getting overflushed here. Thats why you can call 86s getting 3 to 1 closing the action. We're risking little with high implied odds. People get into trouble playing these hands when they go crazy w top pair or 2 pair.
People get into trouble with these hands when they blast off with a weak flush on a monotone board, not when they have 2 pair. We'd always prefer to make 2P or a straight with low-midding SC's than make a flush, unless we're making it on a later street.
If we make a flush, we'd rather make it on the turn, or even better, the river, when our opponents are likely to be putting money in on earlier streets with made hands that are going to lose to the flush we make on a later street, when they can't fold, because they don't believe we sucked out.
Anyone eager to pile money in on a monotone flop probably has a flush. What worse flushes will our opponents have that flat called pre? 74s? 43s? No thinking player is going to stack off here with 2P. How many 2P combos are there here, that will even call a bet, much less call a jam? Maybe three T9s combos that might be dumb enough to stack off, at most.
At a minimum, someone stacking off will usually have a big PP with a better flush draw, or a set hoping to boat up, and even those hands are going to find a fold at least some of the time when we jam.
Just because the PFR checked, that doesn't mean he missed. There are four people in the hand, and he's OOP to two of his opponents. If he c-bets, he's just going to fold out a lot of weaker hands, but if he checks, someone might bet a worse hand for value/protection, or make an ill-advised bluff.