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08-05-2019 , 07:58 PM
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Hero ($450) effective Villian utg+1 30s white male seen playing QJ off from utg+1 at showdown,

Utg+1 opens to 10 button calls Hero in SB calls with 3s3c
BB calls
Flop 5d5h7s
Checks around
Turn 3d
Hero bets $15 (sizing bad?)
BB folds Utg+1 calls button folds
River 4h
Hero bets $35 utg+1 raises to 135 Hero ??
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08-05-2019 , 08:14 PM
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Fold pre, call as played
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08-06-2019 , 03:40 AM
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yep. Thx.
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08-06-2019 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Fold pre, call as played
Why? I get that we're in SB, but we have crazy IO, uncapping ranges is irrelevant at 1/3, and BB isn't squeezing without a premium.

Bigger on the turn...I would lead for $30 here.

River should be bigger, too. I would go $55 on this river. As played I'm in between 3 bet all in and call. I lean a little more towards call just because we know villain opens super wide, so it wouldn't be unheard of for him to have a boat here, and we run into the problem of getting worse hands to call.
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08-06-2019 , 03:34 PM
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I’m pretty sure this is a fold pre because most of the hands that utg would stack off with have pocket 3s pretty much drawing dead preflop. I’m not positive but, I did jam the river after being pretty sick to the raise thinking this is only ever a boat, I convinced myself he could have a six because the “villain opens super wide” and he flipped over a bigger full house
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08-06-2019 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
Why? I get that we're in SB, but we have crazy IO, uncapping ranges is irrelevant at 1/3, and BB isn't squeezing without a premium.
Problem with the IO assumption is that this villain has already shown propensity to open straight trash from early, which means his button open is often weaker. So we often don't realize our equity against hands that we're a favorite against on the flop, and when we do hit, his isn't anywhere near guaranteed to pay. Obviously the counter-argument is that we're fairly deep and opponent likely sucks and won't fold an overpair for 150 bb ever.

I wonder if making it 40 pre is actually more profitable against a player like this.
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08-06-2019 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Ddebaggi
I’m pretty sure this is a fold pre because most of the hands that utg would stack off with have pocket 3s pretty much drawing dead preflop. I’m not positive but, I did jam the river after being pretty sick to the raise thinking this is only ever a boat, I convinced myself he could have a six because the “villain opens super wide” and he flipped over a bigger full house
What house did V show?
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08-06-2019 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
Problem with the IO assumption is that this villain has already shown propensity to open straight trash from early, which means his button open is often weaker. So we often don't realize our equity against hands that we're a favorite against on the flop, and when we do hit, his isn't anywhere near guaranteed to pay. Obviously the counter-argument is that we're fairly deep and opponent likely sucks and won't fold an overpair for 150 bb ever.

I wonder if making it 40 pre is actually more profitable against a player like this.
I would imagine it's not considering how most 1/2-1/3 players are massive stations
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08-07-2019 , 12:36 AM
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pre is fold vs mr , let alone pot
don't 3b junk oop

pot or overbet river, you're obv not folding any boats
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08-07-2019 , 01:21 AM
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Pre is not a fold at all once btn calls, not even close. Folding is fine if btn had folded
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