ok so 3 buddies sit at the table after a night of clubbing. 1 of them has never played for real money and has given me $300 already. im sitting at $500 at this point.

im sb with 4 limpers and wake up with KK. i make it $12 and everyone calls.
flop is q44. i lead out $25 to see where im at. everyone folds to the button. villain is a solid player but has been value betting thin all night. he makes it like 55 and i reraise to 110. he shoves for $300. What should i do?

Please remove this from ur vocabulary (and ur game.) Also, raising to $12 (from the SB)after 4 limpers is bad.

Wait... is villain one of the drunks? If not, what was the point of telling us about the drunks?

So villain is the button? With this texture flop, I would have checked (I assume you were first to act?) and definitely not have re-raised the button. I would call and re-evaluate the turn.

As played, fold.

ya villain was one of the drunk guys. i made it $12 because i knew id get like 2 callers and one of the guys would give me $100 if he hit any pair.

If i call and it comes turn 7 and he bets 70 do i call? then irrelevant river and he goes all in is it obvious he has 4? i felt it was just as likely this guy had Q10,qj,qk and would fire every street since i had seen him do it all nite.

This. Please clarify...

This depends if the villain is the drunk or not. If not drunk, then I would have just called and re-evaluated on the turn instead of 3betting from the SB. If villain is a thinking player, he may put you on AK, AJ, 1010, JJ and think that his queen is good. He must know that you would raise out of the SB with any good hand to build a pot against the drunks. The thing is this: do you think this villain as a thinking player would limp call pre-flop with QQ or AA? And is any type of x-4 hand in his range? Is he one to play suited connectors? As described, you should probably fold...

BUT... if villain is the drunk, then jam it in there and hope that he is married to his Q-x and your KK holds.

EDIT: now that you described a better read on the drunk, I would call the all-in that you were faced with, but then think about playing it differently in the future and allowing him to fire on all streets with the weaker hand of Q10 QJ, KQ, AQ.

This is an obv level. Stop wasting our time.

so you pretty much min raised pf?

Actually, I expect a drunk to show up with a 4 way more than a Q. HOWEVER, the op says the villain is solid.

In other words, OP has made a mess of this hand and describing this hand. I give up.

This. After re-reading the post, I conclude that the villain is a drunk, solid player who makes thin value bets that look more like pot sized bets and would fire on all 3 streets with top pair. Did I cover everything?

Villain is a light weight 3 barrel drunk.

call

raised 6x.


i ended up calling and he had 64 off. maybe calling all 3 streets would have been cheaper. idk

In this spot you should have raised it to 18-20 preflop, that would have helped you decide how to play. Standard rule for live game is 6xbb +1bb for every limper and +1bb for being in the sb or bb.

On the flop, make a proper man-size bet of about two thirds pot vs these guys (even though the board is paired). If you had bet $65 into $80 then villain would need to have made it at least $130 and you would have had an easier but still not straight forward decision. Its not that easy for villain to raise to $130 here with a Q or air given that you represented a large pair pre-flop by raising to 20.

Right now you have no idea where you stand because firstly you made a weak raise pre-flop then secondly you bet $25 into $60. Mr drunk guy could have read that as weakness and may just be making a play.

+1

On flop the min 3 bet is horrible as well imo.

wtf is up with your raise size pre?

make it $20 at least. sometimes i even go $25 if the table is real loose, but $20 works and gets you max value.

theres $60 in the pot and you bet $25? bet like $40-50.

as played, i guess he sucked out with a 4, but you let him by only raising $12 preflop. i cant see myself folding now, get it in and hope he has Qx.

The 6 limpers, raise to $12, $15, even $20 with everyone calling is really, really common for a game with a few drunks.

If you are trying to drag them into a trap with KK, then you are going to take your beats -- need to bet more post-flop to see for sure.

But, KK isn't what you want in a 6-way, so you have to raise enough to get that 6-4 to fold pre-flop.

Mostly what the others said, I know. But, seemed like you didn't have a plan for six callers (the standard 1/2 pot raise won't do it and you were < 1/2 pot).