wait, shouldnt the equations be 75% we win 4bet alongside the 25% which gets split between 80/20 with the 20 being whole pot and the 80 being: Hero's stack - 4bet? ie. .75*200 + [.25*(.2*(all the monies) - .8 * (1K-4bet))] ?

or am i brain farting on the equations right now?

This is a very easy 4bet/call. 3bettor is aggro and he is OTB. Folding here is way too weak, we need to punish 3bettor for being overly aggresive.

Almost everybody so far says to comitt (either bet 400 something or stuff it in). But what's wrong with what somebody said in the beginning: 4bet to 330/fold?

Our image is tight. We haven't played a hand. Is the guy really going to 5bet AK 100% of the time? Or JJ? Many people fold QQ here too.

I think 4betting to 330-350 accomplishes basically the same as raising to 400+ or pushing all-in, with less risk. We can still sometimes (maybe frequently) get folds from JJ and sometimes QQ/AK.

And if the opponent does stuff after we've 4bet to say 350, we're getting 1.85 to 1 odds, and we need 2.44 to 1 vs QQ+, AK (I've assumed the villain 5bets 50% with AK--we have to call if he always 5bets AK)

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

256,845,600 games 0.000 secs 51,369,120,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 29.046% 28.85% 00.20% 74091873 512752.50 { TT }
Hand 1: 70.954% 70.75% 00.20% 181728222 512752.50 { QQ+, AKs, AsKc, AsKd, AsKh }

I disagree here, although the more I think about it the more I dislike folding. Would rather raise a/i than call, and I think you get some more folds this way.

Don't forget there are 2 other opponents in this hand playing 2k eff, make it too small and risk them doing something stupid (which you may or may not want).

I agree with the part about choosing between raising a/i or calling. I don't like calling here at all. I also agree that by shoving you do get more folds, but I'm not sure how many more (or if the value we get from those extra folds is worth committing the rest of our money)

I just don't think we have to commit ourselves (we've been quite tight since we've been card dead), so a reraise on the villain's part should be a very strong range.

I'm not too worried about the other guys, even though they are 2k effective. The initial raiser would have to call 300 more to win my puny 1K stack (and not even know if he's going to see a flop because of a chance of a 5bet behind him).

4-bet/fold camp here.

Betting so much that you are committed to get the maximum amount of folds sounds pretty lol to me. You're essentially on purpose putting yourself in a situation where calling comes better than folding but that doesn't make it more ev+ than smaller 3-bet/fold since I doubt it really changes villain's shove range THAT much.