did you ever say what Villian had?

He might have actually won the pot. I realized thread title doesn't mean he lost a hand with QQ, but he's lost in the hand with it.

All of this

Thanks for all the feedback...really appreciate!

Back into battle this evening.

Oh yah...and villain had:

There are a host of better hands to raise the flop with as a bluff.
QQd is not one of those hands.

AdQx
Adkx
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Now those hands are good to bluff raise with.

Care to explain? Where do we gain sufficient info to remove Ad from his range, weighing it more towards Kd? This is truly one of the most difficult things to do, to weigh somebody's range from Ad to Kd

It's the sizing differential from turn to river. The Ad wants more value than that, and the only hand that can/will pay him off is KdXx (which hero reps pretty hard actually). The results provided are anomalous obv in that the guy with the Ad also had the Kd (so he had to bet smaller). It's also somewhat odd/rare that he bet so big on the turn with EVERYTHING.

I'm just saying hero should consider shoving. And if he thinks villain is decent at poker AND hero's image is clean and he won't give off anything wrt tells after making a big bluff, then I think he should do it. I think for all intents and purposes, once villain follows up the 700 with the 470, hero is playing against a range of: a ton of KdXx combos, a few smaller dd combos looking to get hero called/not get bluffed, all the remaining AK combos wherein the A is not a d, and of course the best hand in the history of poker- the royal flush.

I understand his betsizing indicates kd strongly, but I think kk is really the only k high flush either player (maybe hero can have kqd also) can have and when you consider this I would expect good players to bet small with their A high flushes as well with the K.

The guy has been 3b a lot. Why can't he have a bunch of Kx? Why can't someone have AK? I think it's pretty illogical to bet this much smaller than turn with AdXx against a rec.

3 times in 3.5 hrs isn't exactly crazy, and this is cold from bb which IMO is pretty strong. The times he does it light I'd expect to see Ax suited rather then some offsuit king. Its incredibly rare for someone in this game to 3bet in this spot pre without a value hand, and then having done that 3 barrel this board. But yeah I suppose ako could make sense here too.

Maybe in these games that is true, but generally squeeze/3-bet range here is one of the weakest of all 3-bet ranges.

How the hell can you 3-bet without it being a cold bet?

Edit: Oh yeah, limp/3-bet lol.

I hear you. And it could be an East Coast West Coast thing. Out here a deep rec who we already had to fold to once pre cuz he "had aces" is going to get 3 whacked a ton. I mean if i think he's fit or fold enough (most people are), I'm practically doing it dark.

I know it is "easy" to play the nuts but I am pretty impressed with the way villain played this hand. I have messing around with some unconventional sizing and it is pretty cool what you can get people to do.

1) I don't think 3betting you 3 times in 3.5 hours is anything noteworthy..

2) You played every street fine, I don't think there's anything remotely questionable about anything you did.

3) You're a self-described recreational player that only plays 4-5 times a month? Geez games are gettin' tough these days sir lol.

Not sure about the turn. Sometimes I might shove flop against certain villains.

Given he has the A and K of diamonds it seems kind of standard. OP just doesn't have a lot of flushes on the river and it seems much better to try and make him spaz out than hero call a big bet. Betting small is certainly better than checking or betting big vs most opponents.

Do you like his turn sizing?

im curious if you dislike it, i think you indicated earlier you thought it was large?

as V, after a semi tight rec (folded then had aces vs 3bets) flats our 3b then calls the JTxddd flop when we have both the Ad and Kd, imo his range has to be pretty heavy with TT+ and maybe a few discounted AJ/JT. while the AA/KK/AJ/JT no diamond portion might call smaller and fold to a large bet, the 9 set combos are calling basically any amount and are pretty likely to call a decent river bet on non-diamonds, so maximizing vs those hands seems to make more sense to me

i agree with your thoughts on his river range when betting 470 and think he very rarely has the Ad without the Kd after taking this line vs OP (much more likely to have Ad in some pro v pro btn click war)

hand looks wp, +1 to call QTs

wow wtf I read the hh completely wrong

I thought flop was dd and turn brought royal flush and river a 4-flush

disregard everything I said about this hand I guess lol.

my bad

So you aren't sheeping the river

just re-read it, i'm going 50 pre, calling the 3, calling flop, calling turn and shipping river (he never bets that small with nut flush if he doesn't have Kd also imo/it is ok to get caught bluffing big sometimes--> those dollars + some can be made up in the future no problem)

everyone says call the 3 in position with QT suited this deep, and I agree, yet everyone thinks 700 is fine by villain on the turn. those are very contradictory beliefs imo, people love to call light in live poker if you let them, and smaller bets get raised (oops, stacks go in) by a lot of the hands that are calling the 700 pretty frequently.

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west coast bias tho- some guy put 4400 all in post flop (after putting 120 in pre) yesterday against me with 88 on AQ93r because he "thought (I was) weak" based on my line and sizings

edit: 700 sucks because the hand everyone puts the pfr on pre just made a straight and likely is drawing to nut or second nut flush

I am not sure if this is still a question since you had the HH wrong when you asked it. I do like it. Do you think it was too big? It is 58% pot if I read it right.

I think it's too big. 58% of the pot is one metric. However in this particular spot I think both 70 bbs of the normal stakes and 2.33x the flop bet are more important.

I think this turn card leads to a pretty inelastic calling range in a 3b pot. When we hold AdKd on JdTd4dQc, the turn card will almost always make him a strong hand as JVDS stated before. It is hard to know for sure, but we should expect AA/KK to be still raising pre, and JJ/TT to be raising the flop a bunch. So, I would think he has exactly QQ a decent percentage of the time and some discounted AJ and AQ/AK that made loose peels. Against a rec player I would expect more value from them calling a large bet as opposed to inducing a ship from hands we crush by an underbet on this texture. I don't think the dynamic described in the OP would really alter that but I could be wrong here. ie maybe we (the pro holding the nuts) have a sense that this guy is about to blast off from our "frequent" 3 bets.

All good points. I just think hero is way wider than you do. But if I didn't think that I'd rather crai than paralyze him with the 700 this deep (unless he's a very specific pot controller/station). Pretty much any hand that can call 700 can/will bet if checked to, no?