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06-08-2019 , 12:47 AM
1/3 local 10-handed. BT straddle on, TAG reg in sb raised to $16,UTG unknown villain called,mp villian1(a mid-aged woman) called,hero just sat down 10 mins ago and called with KcQc in hj, BT called.
Effective stack:
UTG villain: $400
Mp villain 1:$300
Hero:$400
Flop($75): Ac Kh 3c utg bet $40,mp raised to $80,hero?
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06-08-2019 , 02:39 AM
Flat and maybe you get to see the river before being all in.
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06-08-2019 , 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
Flat and maybe you get to see the river before being all in.
Straddle pot. Spr is about 3. Is flop all in that bad?
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06-08-2019 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by maplestar
Straddle pot. Spr is about 3. Is flop all in that bad?
Want to string along some weaker hands for implied odds, we need to improve most likely to win anyway so might as well drag people along for the train.
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06-08-2019 , 04:38 AM
At the moment you just have middle pair. You already have to expect to be behind on the flop after that action, we're hoping for someone to have exactly A3 here so we can have 11 clean outs (9flush + 2 Kings for trips) = that's about 40% equity. If someone has AK or 33 we're in even worse shape.

Just flat and pray to see turn/river as Amanaplan said because your middle pair is definitely not good. If your flush draw hits, put the money in, if it doesn't, get out of the way, maybe you'll save 50-100$ or so.

Don't overplay pair + flush draw.
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06-08-2019 , 08:32 AM
Given the action, board texture, and your blockers, I think you'll need to flush. Call and eval. If there is a 3b shove and a call, I don't believe you have odds to cont.
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06-08-2019 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
Flat and maybe you get to see the river before being all in.
I’m concerned about Hero seeing the turn before he’s all in

There’s three Vs left to act after we flat. Presumably the Sb preflop raiser checked to start the action post flop, but it’s not impossible he’s setting up a x r jam with a big hand here.

We’re blocking with our Qc a lot of the weaker flush draws we want UTG to have leaving really just one combo of JcTc out that’s plausible that could call a big bet here, so that skews him to A3. If MP has 33 it’s all going in when it gets back around to her.

So I’m concerned we’re going to get squeezed off our equity. Are we flatting to fold to a jam or flatting intending to Gii if we are jammed?
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06-08-2019 , 02:23 PM
I flat called, UTG shoved, mp called.Hero called. Folding is out of the question,right?
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06-08-2019 , 05:40 PM
I was thinking just fold pre flop. This is one of those situations where you can fold and feel good about it. A tight guy raises the button straddle, (which halves your stack), from the worst position at the table. You're playing 66bbs with KQs against a very tight range which has you crushed, just fold. You're not deep enough to nut mine and there are better hands for that.

On the flop, I just don't think you have only fold equity and you have the tight guy behind who announced he likes his hand. Either the tight guy or the in position player are going to have AA, KK, AK, or 33 very often which have you in jail. I would just fold the flop. At best you have 11 outs and you're probably only going to see one card if you call and jamming is only a winning play if you have fold equity.
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06-08-2019 , 06:53 PM
He raised pre for 2.5x the straddle.... i might 3b here but would never fold here. He’s a TAG not an omc
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06-08-2019 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Want to string along some weaker hands for implied odds, we need to improve most likely to win anyway so might as well drag people along for the train.
This.

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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon
I’m concerned about Hero seeing the turn before he’s all in

There’s three Vs left to act after we flat. Presumably the Sb preflop raiser checked to start the action post flop, but it’s not impossible he’s setting up a x r jam with a big hand here.

We’re blocking with our Qc a lot of the weaker flush draws we want UTG to have leaving really just one combo of JcTc out that’s plausible that could call a big bet here, so that skews him to A3. If MP has 33 it’s all going in when it gets back around to her.

So I’m concerned we’re going to get squeezed off our equity. Are we flatting to fold to a jam or flatting intending to Gii if we are jammed?
Nothing to worry about. It’s a NFD w some other bd outs and semi-blocking a lot of strong hands (if you’re into that). It’s just a here we go spot without, calling is good.
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06-10-2019 , 11:15 AM
I'm ok with preflop although I don't think it's a crime to fold either (especially if we know that no one involved in the hand so far is ez money, plus we have to be a little more wary with a Button straddle on since it can get reraised and at very least we likely won't end up with position on everyone).

I'd probably fold the flop. It's very likely we are only drawing to our flush outs (of which some will end up being dirty) facing this action and will have little/no FE, plus the betting will remain open if we just flat.

ETA: Someone could stove some hands to show otherwise, but my guess is that we're a decent dog getting stacks in here overall against opponents who don't raise just one pear on the flop.

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