You didn't say much about his sizing tendencies. Unless I had some idea that he was the type to bomb when he wants folds if just give him the benefit of the doubt. Especially if there's another player in the hand. He seems inexperienced and those types usually aren't betting a lot with nothing, they're usually betting with something good to protect their hand. Since he's really hanged some of his cues, I'd be inclined to think his hand is different from what he normally sees which means JJ-AA. This is really a read dependent spot which is impossible to advise on the boards. If he doesn't seem to be actin and he seems confident ten believe him.

On the flop, given my initial range of TT-AA for him, I only beat exactly JJ (and chop with 1 combo of QQ), as such I folded.

Further results:

Why do you want to play QQ 3 handed when you can get HU with someone that's in love with their hand?

3betting is easily the best play here; again there are only 2 hands in V2's range that beat us, and he seems more than happy to call our 3b, and then play oop.

This is going to be one of those scenarios where, the guy that you let sneak into the pot because you were reluctant to raise gets ya, and the other guy you were supposed to extract $$$ from.

yup. given our preflop play we have decided to play 'no set, no bet'. not a good board for us 3way. fold looks good

I'd just follow thru with our preflop plan. All his bet sizing indicators (both preflop and postflop) indicate a big overpair (lose to AA/KK/TT, chop with QQ, beat JJ). I'm pretty cool with just folding now and moving on.

ETA: I know there is the danger of results oriented thinking, but personally I think you played the hand fine.

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I'm not totally in love with allowing the other guy come along, but it's better than the alternatives (imo) and not horrendous (especially if we feel we might be almost-setmining to begin with).

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You played it very well. You had a good plan, and you followed it.

Please never raise hoping that Villains will tell you where you are. That's horrible poker. One more thing to learn from this thread is that if you're playing donks that raise to find out where they're at that you don't need to 4-bet their misguided 3-bets even if you have aces or maybe kings.

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Citation needed. What hands are in V's range that don't beat us? At what frequency? Please construct a reasonable range given reads and then show us the math that indicates that "3betting is easily the best play here." Unless you envision a much wider range than I do, you'll be surprised.

I'm inclined to side with the flatting croud.

When 3 betting, are we doing it here for value or as a bluff? If it's a bluff, what hands beat us? If for value, what hands that we beat will call us? .

There seems to be two possible ranges, noting the OP's view that the raise amount and vebal betting amount to a lot of strength.
Possibility (a) is QQ+, AKs.
Possibility (b) is JJ+, ATs+, AKo.

I don't see a 3B folding out any of range (a) or anything we beat in range (b).

Again, if you feel the V will open $20 (in this manner) with a range much wider than (b), then the 3B/Fold line makes some sense. I don't.

Flat for set value. On any non-ace, non-queen flop, bet if checked to. fold if facing a c-bet (unless you hit your set).

I'm not sure I understand the concern about UTG coming along if we flat. I'd prefer it because:

1. We're way ahead of UTG's calling range (which I put at BW, 55+, 67s+)
2. We have position on both players
3. Set mining against two other players isn't bad

What am I missing here?

My guess is that those who don't like flatting here don't think we're ~setmining (cuz, admittedly, it's rarely the case where we go into a hand planning to setmine with a hand as strong as QQ) and therefore would rather not invite yet another person into the pot to crack us. For instance, if we had AA here, it might be better to 3bet in order to get it HU against the raiser, or at least charge the loose fish far too much money to crack us.

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