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1/3NL - big draw on turn, all in vs unknown 1/3NL - big draw on turn, all in vs unknown

10-25-2010 , 12:25 PM
1/3nl

villian (bb) ~ $210
hero (hj) ~ $525 QhTh

no particular reads on villian. He's been at the table for 1 or 2 orbits. Has limped/limp called over half his hands he was dealt. Fit or fold on flop.

Button straddles to $6
villian calls, 2 others call, hero calls, button checks.

Flop, 5 players, $31
Kd Jc 7h
villian bets $25, folds to hero, calls $25
(raise? Or is a call fine?)

turn, 2 players, $81
6h
villian bets $40, hero announces all in. About another $140ish to villian.
I figure that villian is surely beating Q high at this point, but with such a nice draw, might as well just get it in. Besides, probably won't get paid on the river if I hit.

Or would a call be fine and then fold to his river bet if I miss?

Opinions?
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10-25-2010 , 12:29 PM
What is your hand? Qh10h I assume. In that case, I dont mind this play. It could really go either way with all in or call. If you think villian is capable of making a laydown with his wierd 2 pair then shove. But if hes a station and will say "i has 2 pairs i call" or will still bet the river when one of your draws hit because "he has 2 pairs" then call and see the river.
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10-25-2010 , 12:42 PM
FLop call is fine.

I like the turn shove and that is without a doubt your best line here. It utilizes fold equity and fold equity is a HUGE part of the equation that most players at 1/2NL fail to exploit. The sizing is also perfect. Pot is about $120 and you have $140.

villain's turn bet is weak and very good chance you can push him off TPWK or other hands that beat you (like Jx).

And if he calls you have outs.

overall,

Shove >>> call IMO
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10-25-2010 , 08:09 PM
+1 for the shove the turn line. Our hand has plenty of equity when called and when you factor in fold equity a shove is probably the most +ev play. Also stack sizes are perfect for a shove.
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10-25-2010 , 08:20 PM
We have about ~30% equity if called versus villain's calling range. I think we have enough fold equity to shove here. Plus shoving is good for your image.

Also I think raise>>>call pre.
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10-25-2010 , 09:11 PM
My only caveat is that our FE will be limited if this is a thinking player. The 6h clearly doesn't complete draws, it creates them. A smart player (admittedly rare at 1/3) will read this pretty easily as a combo draw, or poss a fishy K6 line. Therefore, I doubt they fold TP here. Might get a fold from a J, though.
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10-26-2010 , 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Jarretman
We have about ~30% equity if called versus villain's calling range. I think we have enough fold equity to shove here. Plus shoving is good for your image.

Also I think raise>>>call pre.
+1. Straddles are something that many 1/2NL and 1/3NL players fail to exploit. WHen there is a straddle and lots of limping, more than 2/3 the pot is dead money. A decent raise will often take it down right there and if called, you are dealing from a position of strength come flop.

If you are in Late Position or the blinds with JTs-AK, 88+, then i'm a big fan of squeezing straddles.
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10-26-2010 , 03:59 AM
I also love the turn shove but do we have enough implied odds to call the flop bet?

He's only playing 105bb deep and almost pot the flop.
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10-26-2010 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by martin_malin
I also love the turn shove but do we have enough implied odds to call the flop bet?

He's only playing 105bb deep and almost pot the flop.
Its close but I think so, yes.

Especially if you factor in the possibility of villain making a mistake on the turn. Oftentimes, villains will bet flop then shut down on turn.
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