Okay, so I just played a hand that made me feel like I seriously went back to beginner level at poker but it was so weird I just need to post it.

Hero image - definitely TAG winning I am into the game for two 300 buy ins but I was felted with AA VS naked flush draw so don’t think that matters much and now I’m sitting with $1040.

Main Villain - very odd and hard to read. He looks and acts like a Vegas local and seems to be weak right for sure. He’s definitely losing (he’s rebought 3 times for 200 but he hasn’t shown down much he’s mucked like every time). He was felted)has seemed to have folded quite a bit except in raised pots where he’s getting involved pre more wide but I honestly just see him as weak tight/passive. He has $300 ish to start the hand

The other V is a local grinder and knows what he’s doing. Overall, the game is LAG - lots of action pre, lots of multi-way pots and people firing away. Anyway

OTTH....

Hero BTN ($1040) - button straddle is on for $6 34

Limps to V2 who makes it $16, V1 calls, hero calls.

Flop ($21)

Q102

V2 bets 15, V1 calls, hero calls.

Turn ($66)

A

V2 checks, V1 now donks $40, hero calls and the V1 calls.

River ($186)

K

V2 checks, V1 bets $40, hero makes it $100, V2 folds, V2 goes all in for 253 total or 153 more, Hero?

Fold river what do you want to hear? Fold pre also.

Not folding pf for $10 on the button the effective stacks are over $1000. Even if I had 72o.

Flop is an easy fold. We have the nut low FD and a back door straight draw. Can't get paid off if the FD comes in.

Fold the turn.

You showed a lot of strength on the river with the obvious FD coming in. Unless you think the villain is a complete maniac or you flashed him your cards, he isn't worried about your flush. Fold now, but wouldn't have raised earlier, either.

Well we have 1k and main villain only has 300. Don't know what 2nd guy has. Pre isn't a big mistake or anything just dumb either way. Pretty much can fold every street.

I folded the river - never saw his hand but felt like an idiot for raising ...What do you guys think of that? In my mind at the time I was raise folding but in retrospect I’m like why the hell didn’t I just call the $40 but I think that’s being results oriented?

Fold the flop? Hmmm. Seems a little nitty?

On the turn we also pick up the wheel draw but maybe I should not be considering that as positive additional equity because it also brought in Broadway?

In the end I guess I see everyone’s point about the turn - I’m drawing to potentially a second but straight and a crappy flush draw that feels more like a blocker at this point.

River is an easy raise/fold, i guess we agree on that part.

Besides that i think the hand is played fine, even though you could argue for folding pre. But when we call pre, i dont see how we can fold when we flop a flushdraw in position. If we are gonna fold the flop when we flop a flushdraw because we somehow figure we cant continue profitably- then the obvious answer is to fold the hand pre and dont play it at all.

For sure, playing 43s like its the nuts is playing it like a beginner.

1) fold pre unless V2 is at least 200bb effective;.

2) don't raise OTR

3) as played don't fold OTR to the $186+40+153 = 379:153 = 2.5:1 = 28% equity.

4) re: turn... only see the river with the wheel if the price is right.

Math also seems off. Should be at least $50 in the pot on the flop with $16 x 3 plus the limpers and dead blinds. Also makes the turn over $80 giving better than 4:1 to draw the flush making the turn much closer with implied odds from fishy looking V1. I don't expect weak / tight passive guy who just double barreled turn / river in a 3 way raised pot to pay off with worse so I agree river is a flat call. AP we are bluff catching against a player description that doesn't have many bluffs. Soul read or fold.

I disagree strongly here. I think pre is a slam dunk call, and I actually like it less as we get deeper and getting outflushed gets more costly, but I'm still calling deep too, just playing a little more cautiously.

We're getting an amazing price with the straddle and the small raise, 5:1, possibly better odds depending on the limpers which OP didn't specify. Further, being ip we're going to over-realize our equity.

Flop is fine, I think the turn is the most interesting spot. V2 has a lot of 2p and kj here, and a lot of the flush draws are blocked by your hand and what's on the board. I'm also worried that v1 x/jams here, which sucks for you. I think a fold is best, but I don't hate a call given how many outs you likely have.

River, I don't hate an exploitative raise fold. I think a lot of villains are continuing betting a jack here, like I said, there aren't too many fd's left. What of V's fd's play this way? A lot of their combo draws probably check turn, especially the axdd hands that aren't two pair. Kjdd, maybe some k10dd, j9dd. As we get lower I doubt villain is 3 bet jamming an eight high, nine high or worse flush here. As I'm writing this, it's getting clear that bet/fold here is tough since there's not much behind. 1/4 block bet/jam seems real strong though, so I think fold is probably fine.

I don't straddle.

Even though we're in position, the RIO on this hand just sucks (every single "good" hand we make is often beaten, and almost always beaten if someone decides to put in some real chips against it). I fold. ETA: Being deeper or much deeper or way way deeper doesn't help in this regards at all (at least in terms from a make-a-hand perspective, which I'm assuming is what the OP is doing). If 200++bbs stacks go in postflop, 43s is losing every single time with the exception of when it makes it's one lone nut straight or quads (it's also behind in pretty much every fullhouse situation too).

I'm also sigh calling the flop. I'm hoping our position will help us out in the RIO situation to lose as little as possible.

The turn call is pretty meh. We're not getting anywhere near the odds we need to chase, we still have the preflop raiser to react who could have another plan up his sleeves, and we still have RIO issues. Really doubt this call is profitable. ETA: Missed the fact we picked up the gutshot outs; still, meh.

I would consider just flatting the river donk. This board is uber gross and there's just not a lotta worse hands that are going to pay off a raise when everything got there. Instead, I'll lean to attempt to making some extra money by hoping V2 overcalls (and he should have enough hands in his preflop raising range to consider making the overcall for this awesome price). This is mostly a Limit play, but it also applies to NL once and a while (and I think it does here).

And as played I fold. Moron-meter has to be off the charts for me to consider calling a river 3bet (which is always ~nuttish).

Gverymehhand,imoG

Grunch
I call but hate it. He seems like the kind of player to be tilting with AJ here often enough. Maybe with Ad.

Edit: read others thoughts, this is why I grunch. Seems like I'm a station.

Stations don't cold 3b/cr shove rivers

fold pre/3ball

raise turn

river size it like 200, call as played

Grunch - I actually play it similar other than raising the river. Probably just flatting there though your V description seems garbled but whatever. Likely no or few weaker hands are looking up your raise and you have nut low flush so limited opportunity to cooler someone. River raise in an overplay.