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10-22-2015 , 11:37 AM

#26

gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by BROKEinCOLLEGElol

Bigger on every street to set up river shove.

If we raised larger preflop (even to your recommended $35 although I would go a bit larger), I absolutely agree with this.

GcluelessNLnoobG

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10-22-2015 , 11:38 AM

#27

gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by SwolyswoND

Results:

Hero called, Villain showed 88 and Hero removes "never seen him bluff" from his read on V for future sessions.

I wonder if it is even a bluff or just some spazz ****** move cuz "I gots two pears"?

Gintheend,Ithinkyougottheriverplaycorrect,imoG

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10-22-2015 , 12:20 PM

#28

DeathCabForTootie

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Originally Posted by SwolyswoND

Results:

Hero called, Villain showed 88 and Hero removes "never seen him bluff" from his read on V for future sessions.

Wow. What a truly bizarre line v took. He's not a button clicker, because that would imply subtlety. This guy is full on HULK SMASH BUTTON.

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10-22-2015 , 02:54 PM

#29

kookiemonster

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If we make it $35 pf, isn´t there a decent chance he gives us credit for a big pair and folds on the turn (maybe even pf)?

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10-22-2015 , 03:05 PM

#30

gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by kookiemonster

If we make it $35 pf, isn´t there a decent chance he gives us credit for a big pair and folds on the turn (maybe even pf)?

I think that might happen, although being results oriented this guy is clearly an idiot so who knows.

I'm just not as cool as you are with playing for stacks postflop having given these terrific implied odds preflop; if I'm going to play my hand face up, I'm making sure I don't give these great implied odds preflop. I guess it's a bit of a trade-off (losing value those times we unfortunately sometimes blow him out of the pot vs never making a mistake stacking off when he outflops us).

GcluelessNLnoobG

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10-22-2015 , 03:14 PM

#31

kookiemonster

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

if I'm going to play my hand face up
GcluelessNLnoobG

How is our hand face up though? I 3! here with hands like A8s,77,KJs,KQ, sometimes considerably weaker.

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10-22-2015 , 03:37 PM

#32

gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by kookiemonster

How is our hand face up though? I 3! here with hands like A8s,77,KJs,KQ, sometimes considerably weaker.

Admittedly, it depends on our image, but so far OP has only shown AA as a 3bet hand.

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10-22-2015 , 03:40 PM

#33

DeathCabForTootie

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Originally Posted by kookiemonster

How is our hand face up though? I 3! here with hands like A8s,77,KJs,KQ, sometimes considerably weaker.

You play in considerably deeper games where this is optimal, even against sticky opponents.

150bb deep, 3-betting those hands usually isn't right move (depending on the lineup).

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10-22-2015 , 04:30 PM

#34

SwolyswoND

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Originally Posted by kookiemonster

How is our hand face up though? I 3! here with hands like A8s,77,KJs,KQ, sometimes considerably weaker.

Although my game does not typically play as deep as KM does, he does raise a good point, which I believe I mentioned earlier in the thread. Due to V's min-raise open, I am 3! much wider in this spot. V may or may not know this, and he also may or may not think I can be wide here because my 3! size was so small.

Bottom line: I'm not sure Hero's hand is quite face up here.