Typical 1/3 game, lots of limped flops, although pf raises are getting a bit more respect than usual.

V1 ($240) MAWG, LAGish probably 40/10. Likes to limp pre and play pretty aggressively post. He's not afraid to get chips in the pot and he's capable of bluffing/semi-bluffing, but I've never seen him get super out of line. He seems to really like making sweetener raises of $6-$10 after a bunch of limpers, fwiw. First time playing with him, so not a ton of history.

V2 ($300) 65ish reg slightly too loose and too passive but not terrible.

Hero ($450) Late 30s white guy dressed business casual. Playing TAG but has x/f a few flops against V1 after raising preflop in recent orbits. All in multiway pots, and all easy decisions, but it's possible he views me as nitty/fit or fold, not really sure.

OTTH:

V1 Limps UTG, V2 Limps CO, I raise to $20 OTB w/ AdJh. Blinds fold, V1 and V2 Call

Flop ($64)
Jd Td 5c

V1 Bets $40, V2 Folds, Hero ???

I'm raising here to like $120 maybe more with the stack sizes. I don't think this line means he is super nutted most of the time especially with this villain. Sounds like his range is KJ, QJ, J10, KQ, 89, all sorts of diamond draws, and maybe 55. we have the Ace of diamonds here which does discount some nut flush draws. So raise and get it in with our hand here.

For that sizing, probably flat 100% of our range.

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I agree with just calling here. on safe turns you can go ahead and raise if he leads again or bet big if checked to you. He doesnt have much left so I'd probably just go with my hand on most turns including flush cards.

The more limpers there are, the more I've lately been leaning to just overlimping stuff like AJo (perhaps my least favourite hand). After just 2 limpers, I'm ok with leaning to a raise, but at these stack sizes it often puts as in very uncomfortable commitment spots postflop.

SPRs are about 3.5 - 4.5. Board is extremely drawy. And we have TPTK. I mean, you could simply argue that we are committed here and should attempt to get stacks in ASAP (and it isn't the type of board where we're looking to drag this thing out over 3 streets worth of small betting). So my initial plan if checked to would be to PSB the flop to get the rest in on a safe turn.

Facing the donk doesn't change my commitment decision. Dude is aggro, sets and two pear are somewhat limited, and board is extremely drawy. So I'm getting it in ASAP. I typically like to give poor 2:1 odds, which means a raise to $180. But with just $220 stacks, I just ship it now.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Jamming just lets all of his Jx and fds off the hook. He will be getting less than 2:1 and should fold basically everything we beat. If we call we go to a turn with 180 left and 144 in the pot. Just semi-tank call like you have AK and don't believe. I think the most likely scenario is you gii good on the turn, one way or another.

I'd be more cooler with this line with a stronger hand / on a less drawy board (as well as less committed). But here there are so many turn cards we hate that could put us in a stoopid situation. And yes, he might be able to make some folds of mediocre hands, although some of those hands may not continue after we call the flop, and sometimes he folds the best hand when I do the same thing with monster draws.

GcluelessaggrotardnoobG

I think having the Ad lends itself more to calling as there are fewer bad turns than if we had a different ace. Either way I think both our options are really attractive here and I would do both some of the time. Jamming and ending the hand is a fine result

I favor a call. Even if V checks the turn, we can get at least one more street of value. I agree that a raise on the flop folds out only the hands hero is beating. A call is more likely to induce a mistake on the turn and river by the villain.

call flop

Agree. Raising allows him to play perfectly and we don’t have much of a balanced raising range here.

I did mini-tank for a bit to contemplate how to weigh my options, but this essentially my conclusion as well.

Hero Calls

Turn ($136)
6s

V1 bets All-in $180, Hero ???

We’ll any straight draws or flush draws didn’t hit, so it almost seems as if he’s putting you on a flush draw and bluffing at you. I call. If he hit two pair or a set and you have TPTK I think you have to pay him off here because I think you have good odds he’s just bluffing or has a worse hand.

One of the biggest benefits of flatting the flop (which I still don't believe outweighs the benefits of shoving, but whatever) is that we allow our opponent to continue to overvalue / bluff. The turn is a complete blank that shouldn't have changed anything (kinda lucky on that as there are a crapload of cards that aren't blanks). Snap call for me given I considered myself committed the whole time and especially due to the way we played the flop.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I like the flat on the flop. I'd hate to raise and lose KJ, QJ, etc. We have the Ad, so I doubt he has many flush draws, especially that he'd donk with, unless it's KdQd or similar.

I can go either way on turn. He probably has a good draw or two pair. I'd just have to go with my gut based on previous hands. If I get the feeling I'm ahead and I have no problem with a re-buy, I call. If there is too much doubt, I fold and wait for a better spot.