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12-25-2017 , 05:17 AM
Stacks ~1k effective

I have KK in MP and open to $12, CO calls ($28)

Flop 962 rainbow. I bet $12 he calls ($52)

Turn 2. I bet $30 he calls ($112)

River 4. I bet $60 he snap jams for around $900 more

This guy had been drinking all night and doing a lot of crazy things. What do I do here?????
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12-25-2017 , 05:49 AM
How many of those crazy things include snap shipping for around $900 in a $180 pot?
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12-25-2017 , 10:45 AM
Your bet sizing is off. Bet more on flop. Then ramp it down to smaller sizing. With only one pair you should check/call turn or river a lot.

As played it depends on what sort of crazy thing he has been doing. If he has been bluff shoving or making moves in big pots later in hands then you have to call this off sometimes. If his crazy betting has been preflop, flop and/or in small pots then fold.
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12-25-2017 , 12:31 PM
WP. Bet/fold river.
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12-25-2017 , 09:06 PM
Agree with first poster that we need more details on how villain has been crazy, but from my current interpretation I would call here

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12-25-2017 , 09:17 PM
I mean cmon w these threads. This is really undeserving of any response whatsoever until we get more detailed reads. Take 5 min and give us a description of him, the game in general.
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12-25-2017 , 10:08 PM
Unless he is a complete maniac, this is an easy fold. If he could make this bluff with air then good luck to him and we'll make money off this kind of player in the long term in other spots after gathering more info.

You only put 50bb into the pot and now you want to commit 450bb more with an overpair to the board?

If you started with effective stacks of around $325 you would have to call the river jam against most guys who have been drinking and doing crazy things.

P.S. you were losing value (+under-repping your hand/causing you to second guess yourself) by underbetting the flop and turn.
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12-25-2017 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Nogyong
Unless he is a complete maniac, this is an easy fold. If he could make this bluff with air then good luck to him and we'll make money off this kind of player in the long term in other spots after gathering more info.

You only put 50bb into the pot and now you want to commit 450bb more with an overpair to the board?

If you started with effective stacks of around $325 you would have to call the river jam against most guys who have been drinking and doing crazy things.

P.S. you were losing value (+under-repping your hand/causing you to second guess yourself) by underbetting the flop and turn.
Easy fold unless he's a maniac and you saw him do this before.

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12-26-2017 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Neverlucky16
Stacks ~1k effective

I have KK in MP and open to $12, CO calls ($28)

Flop 962 rainbow. I bet $12 he calls ($52)

Turn 2. I bet $30 he calls ($112)

River 4. I bet $60 he snap jams for around $900 more

This guy had been drinking all night and doing a lot of crazy things. What do I do here?????
describe some of the "lots of crazy things"
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12-26-2017 , 01:10 PM
Yeah, more details on villain.

I'd either check the flop or bet at least $15. What's calling $12 but folding to $15?

I'm fine with going for three streets of smaller value. Going for two streets with larger bets would also be fine IMO. I sometimes bet this flop, sometimes check it. I typically don't expect to get three streets of real bets, so I'm often checking either the flop or the turn. I generally prefer not to check the river, since that gives an unpredictable V a larger pot and some encouragement to bluff at it.

AP, I'm folding without stronger and more reliable reads. Doing crazy stuff and bluff/spazz shoving the rest of a 1K stack are not the necessarily same thing.

Some things to consider as you build a picture of this guy:

Whose stack was the effective? Was he putting all his chips in or making you put all yours in? If he covered, by how much?

Was he winning or losing for the night? Did he seem happy drunk? Grumpy drunk? On some sort of tilt? Unrelated to poker drunk?

Any history between you two? Had you bluffed him? Made him lose with a good hand? Had he recently sucked out? Was he on a rush?

If you've been there all night to see him drinking, and he was one of the spots at the table, I think you should have been putting some focus on figuring out his tendencies. Spend effort to exploit the spots first!
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