1/3 with $200 max buy in

Hero: 20s/30s white male. TAG image, had a hand where I 3bet V's open to 13 and a caller inbetween. It seemed to tilt Villain to have to fold. I've raised preflop and taken down some pots on the flop or call with a PP and fold on flop. Only been at table less than an hour. Stack $260

Villain: 30s/40s white male. Business man type style, super nice watch, and table leader. He's basically the only one raising and he's playing every other hand for a raise. Raises range from 13 to 15. He was running over the table till he got sucked out on by some fish. He bet/bet/bet to see he had been rivered. Rebought to cap off. Stack $200

This hand is a few hands after that hand, and maybe 10 min after I 3bet villain.

OTTH

UTG limps, Villain in UTG+1 limps, folds to BTN who limps, Hero in SB looks at JJ and makes it 26, folds to villain who quickly and somewhat sloppily pushes in a raise to 115, folds back to hero..?

This is the first time I've seen villain limp, plus his first 3bet. At the moment I was thinking it'd be weird if he was limping to check/raise because the table beyond him was very limp happy. The only other players that had even raised beside him was myself and another TAG.

I let this go with the information provided. His first 3 bet and his first limp/3 bet, i mean we have no reason to believe that he isnt nutted here.

I would say its a pretty big mistake to stackoff for 100 BB stack here in this spot with the (valuable) info that you gave. The key is to _use_ the information and make the exploitative fold.

If he is tilted this will be a bluff or him spazzing out some of the time. Without more history it isn't worth getting involved. Much of the time you are coin flipping if you are ahead and crushed if you are not. Calling/shoving is really hoping he is spazzing out with TT or worse pairs. If he is tilting enough to do that it will be obvious soon.

Turbo muck

Fold seems fine.
If we raised and he 3bet IP it would be a more interesting question.

Very few people overlimp the Button with a monster without a raising maniac in the blinds. Plus our raise (which is fairly biggish) looks like a steal against a bunch of weak looking limps (and it seems we've been doing our fair share of this). And this guy might be tilting. And he's sized his reraise so as not to want any action (wouldn't a QQ+ want some action here?). Plus he's only playing a shortstack of 66bbs.

I consider JJ the nuts here and ship it.

ETA: Also forgot to mention how this guy is the table alpha dog, and it looks like he's attempting to regain that title. Also, this being just a few hands after he got sucked out on, this is a perfect time to pick up AA/etc. on the Button and do a big raise to look like he's steaming (not to overlimp). But looks like I'm outvoted on this one. I mean, yeah, in general a limp/reraise is AA/KK; but I'm not convinced it is in this particular spot though.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Villain limped utg+1 gg

On a side note, one of the most tilting hands of my poker career took place a few months ago when a kid overlimped AA otb after 5 limps with a dead small and me (super tight) in the bb and hadn't looked at my cards yet / was distracted and talking to someone.

People do silly things.

Whoops, didn't catch that, thought Villain was Button.

I'm guessing full 10 handed table? UTG+1 after a limper does change things a lot.

I still think it's a lot closer than the typical easy-fold situation. Would probably really a need an at-the-table vibe on what this guy is all about / what the dynamics are.

GgrossspotG

We have plenty of reasons to believe villain isn't nutted here. Villain has been raising for value this entire time but now he decides to limp at a table it's likely to be limped around? Doesn't make much sense. His raise was done quickly and the sizing seems way too big if villain wanted value. This also isn't a 100bb stack, villain has $200.

A lot of people seem to be focusing on the information that only supports their view. It is villain's first limp/3 bet, which should set off warning bells. Villain also limped after another limper though, and with his previous habit of raising it seems odd that he'd suddenly try to trap with a strong hand at a passive table. With villain potentially on tilt, I'm just trying to say there's information that could point to making either decision. I didn't think it was such an obvious fold as people are saying.

Look man, i am navigating blindly here- in the terms of me not knowing results before i made my comment. If you went with the hand and ran into what i think you did and had 2 outs to win the hand, dont get mad at me for speaking my mind. You played the hand and made the decisions, not me.

My opinion (and experience) is that we have no reason to believe villain isnt nutted. Limp reraises is so often nutted in itself, and your info that this is his first 3 bet and not to mention first limp 3 bet- only makes me more certain JJ is a fairly easy fold here.

Often it cant be explained logicial either (like youre trying to do in the last post, listing up why YOU woudnt have limp/reraised ultra premiums in this spot). Its just built in them that alot of our villains wants to do the limp with KK/AA, because they fear not getting action if they open raise- or they fear getting multiple callers and get into difficult spots postflop if they get a nasty flop for their hand. They love to trap by going for the limp/reraise, and have no clue at all how obvious it looks to players that pay attention and observe patterns closely.

If you know what kind of information to put the most weight to, its not information available from what you gave us that points towards either decision. If a players limp/reraise range is wider than the normal nutted combos its easy to notice by their sheer aggression factor, and not to mention that they perform the limp/reraise line more often.

a limp reraise is always a good (great) hand of some kind from someone who is trying to play well.

the play here is just guessing whats in the villians mind at this time. you are there and have to make that guess. no way is anything about poker hands have any bearing on this.

with what said about him i probably get it in.

Fair enough. So, what do you think his range is? That's really the essence of this question.

Really hard to make a definitive range. Personally I feel the same way GG does, that the abnormally large and value adverse 3bet shifts villain's range against the nutted hands, QQ-AA. At the time I was thinking his limp/raise would make more sense with a hand he wanted to play but not open in EP like 44-88 and had decided to spazz out. 99-JJ and AK maybe he was always planning to limp/raise. I could potentially see KQ in his range too, AQ as well.

Something is different about this hand, and I feel it's either villain has taken an unusual line for value or he's making a play. If this was for value I'd say villain's range is TT-AA AK and AQ. If villain is making some sort of play I'd say it's more like 44-JJ, maybe only down to 66 or 77. Non PP combos could be AK, AQ, KQ, QJs. Ofc that doesn't mean if villain was making a play he doesn't show up with QQ-AA, I'd say two combos of each would be fair.

It's hard to give a range because another factor is tilt. If villain is steaming and just raising with ATC then that changes things a lot too. Depending on if you give 5% or as high as 20% of his hands doing this as ATC tilt induced then you could justify a call/jam.

I would get it in with the info you gave. KK, QQ is less likely to limp reraise. You could definitely see some AA but also a lot of 22-TT, AQ,AK, maybe smaller Ax. I've see a couple recs limp reraise Ax recently although with slightly shorter stacks and a cold call in between.

Thanks for the responses.

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