I don't know anything about poker AI, but I recall seeing a bit on Claudico (I believe a precursor to Libratus, but I'm too lazy to Wiki) who I believe (?) self-developed / learned it's strategy which ended up being quite limp happy (hence the latin name which is "I limp"). Not sure how applicable it is (I think it was for a HU version of the game instead of a full ring game?), but still, funny / ironic.

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So, any thoughts? Full quote in post #43.

Homey, I already addressed this here. Basically, the more you have opponents paying off two more bets with QJ here the more this line is fine. But also the more you're playing in a game that is off-the-hook amazing. I'll leave it up to the OP to decide.

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Well, games where less than 80-90% (sooner 100% than 80%) of the players don't pay off at least two bets with QJ on a Q high board probably don't even exist, so I don't see the problem. Who says anything about getting them to commit their entire stack? You don't need to stack QJ in this scenario to squeeze a lot of value out of your kings.

As I say, if your game sees someone just itching to get in their stack with QJ in this scenario (multiway versus the nit opener who continues barrelling for stacks, and SPR is < 4 BTW so stacks will be in with 2 bets), then the more cool you'll be with the preflop result. The less this happens, the less cool you may be with the preflop result.

I've told this story before, but here's a hand I played against a very loose opponent who is no doubt a long term loser due to his preflop looseness. There's a limp, a posted hand checks, and I raise large with a non-deep stack with AQ on the Button. He makes a very loose call in the SB for far too big a percentage of his stack with QJsoooted. The other two call. I make a large committing bet on a Qxxss flop when checked to me, he looks at his cards, shows his neighbour, and folds to the single bet. His neighbour nods in agreement. Admittedly just one anecdotal example, but I greatly question your opinion of how 80% of players are paying off 2 bets here (let alone even 1, let alone even losing players). (And before there is chorus of "you should cbet bluff every flop even multiway then", I'm check/shoved on by the poster).

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But he is folding to you because it's you. You and your type are extremely easy to play against. He probably would have called the rest of us for at least one bet.

My Sunday games are filled with your type of player, and it's the easiest money I ever make and the easiest game to play in with very few difficult decisions to make.

Yes, of course that's a big part of it. But so what?

OP has a nit image. And he most likely has a nit image because he's playing very tight in a small stack / high rake game (which, imho, is a pretty good method to beat these games). It is what it is, so you work with what you got. Java, put yourself in OP's opponents shoes; aren't you smacking your lips being the final overcaller to his obvious face up open? That's not a good thing for OP. Which suggests that considering an alternative preflop line isn't as lol-able as some are making it out to be.

If OP has a super aggro laggy image, his preflop line is likely fine (with KK). But whether or not the risk of being super aggro laggy from all positions with a wide range of hands is worth the benefit of disguising his rare top end hands, especially in a small stack / high rake game, is very questionable.

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That's kind of the point and the whole problem with playing so tight. You are an open book. The minute you show any aggression, players either call/raise when they have you beat or fold when they don't. Sometimes they just raise scary cards because they know you'll fold. It's a dream for us. You are not disguising anything.

OP is tight, not a nit. Villain is probably more than happy to gii with a big draw against OP because he knows how much fold equity he has against OP to go along with his outs.

If OP had limped, the same thing would have happened, and he probably would have just ended up folding his KK and waiting another hour for AA/KK hoping to limp/raise and not get sucked out on.

As long as you keep giving the caveat of being a nit, it's OK, but the advice you give to players will never help them improve in average low-limit games -- and they will never be able to move up if they take your advice. They will get eaten alive.

Do you always have to build your posts up around strawman arguments and a total lack of nuances? Things are just black or white? Total super faceup nit or spewy splashy 80 percent vpp lag?

Omg, give me a f------ break.

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+1,very good post.

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What am I missing Gil?

OP is playing tight, thinks he has a nit image, and is playing a 90bb stack in what is likely a rake trap game.

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