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01-23-2023 , 02:50 PM
Villain 1: Aggressive young player.
Villain 2: Middle aged woman who has been active pre flop. Have seen her 3 and 4 bet but the only hand that she has shown down after 4 betting was KK.
Villain 3. Younger euro woman playing a short stack after re buying. Have not seen her get out of line but seems kind of tight / bad.

Hero: About 90 minutes into session. I've been card hot for the first hour and very active as a result.

$1/3 NL (8 handed)
UTG Hero ($400)
UTG+1 V1 ($500)
LJ
HJ
CO V2 ($900)
Button V3 ($125)
SB
BB

Hero is dealt QQ

Hero opens to $15. V1 raises to $45. V2 four bets to $115. V3 jams for $125. Is this a trivial fold for hero?

Thanks in advance.
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01-23-2023 , 03:02 PM
V3 is irrelevant, V1 makes V2's action seems even stronger.

Easy fold in most 1/3 games.
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01-23-2023 , 04:05 PM
I'd fold. V1 is yet to act. We don't block AA/KK.
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01-23-2023 , 06:12 PM
Sigh fold.
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01-23-2023 , 07:53 PM
Yeah, easy fold. I'd fold even without v3, and tight-bad lady stacking off against a c4! doesn't make things any better. I get that v2 was kind of active in the past hour or so, but it's lol sample and middle-aged woman c4! vs +1 3! vs UTG open is a huge sign for me to get out of the pot.
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01-23-2023 , 08:27 PM
Easy fold and move on to the next hand
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01-23-2023 , 08:47 PM
We have an uncapped 3 bet and an uncapped 4 bet, and action is now on us.

It's 1/3, no reason at all to believe anything other than the trivial baysian priors for a 4 bet at this low stakes, which for 80% of 1/2 or 1/3 players is AA/KK.

I disagree that v3 is irrelevant. I'd say even short stacked the prior we should be using for a jam here for a typical 1/3 player is JJ+, AQ+.

So all in all trivial fold.

BTW even for good players at 1/2, 1/3, cold 4-bets against EP 3-bets are likely to be very strong because good players know that 3-bet ranges for your average 1/2, 1/3 player is still pretty tight.
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01-23-2023 , 09:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Javanewt
Sigh fold.
Only because it’s QQ, not because it’s particularly close.

My last session I had QQ in the BB and MP opened, tight guy 3-bet the button and the SB 4-bet. I auto-mucked, button had AA and SB had KK.
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