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05-12-2018 , 04:50 AM

LordRiverRat

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Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,694

V1 (UTG): 30s Asian woman, tight/passive ($250)
V2 (EP): MABG, drinking and loose/passive ($400)
Hero (MP): late 20s Asian guy, LAG winning image (covers)

V1 and V2 limp. Hero makes it $20 with A

. BB calls and both villains call.

Flop: 6

($80)

Checked to hero. Hero ???

Obviously betting. Interested in seeing your opinions about what sizing.

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05-12-2018 , 04:58 AM

matzah_ball

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Fold pre

$40 now

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05-12-2018 , 05:09 AM

Viral25

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Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,857

Pre is marginal/ok. I probably only do it if ican get HU with V2 a lot.

Flop: no need to go big, let's make sure hands like A2/A4 dont find a fold. Between $25-45, i probably bet the top end of that sizing given villain's descriptions.

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05-12-2018 , 08:30 AM

zukes2000

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Originally Posted by matzah_ball

Fold pre

$40 now

Agreed with both. This would be good OTB against two MP limps, but too much chance of getting a call behind us.

Also, I have a feeling we are going to hit a heart on the turn...

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05-12-2018 , 08:36 AM

SwolyswoND

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I'd rather overlimp this than fold or raise it pre.

AP, yeah 1/2 pot sounds good

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05-12-2018 , 08:38 AM

ChrisV

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I'd limp pre. Don't really see what raising achieves, also don't see why I would fold a perfectly decent hand.

AP, I'd go $40-50.

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05-12-2018 , 08:47 AM

DooDooPoker

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Fold PF wtf? Anyways yeah bet 1/3 pot is this a real question

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05-12-2018 , 09:33 AM

samo

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$35-$40 flop. Fold to a C/R. Tight passive UTG limp/call gets my attention.

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05-12-2018 , 10:19 AM

sai1b0ats

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What a tricky spot. Jam flop might be best if tight player can fold 88.

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05-12-2018 , 11:14 AM

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iraisetoomuch

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$20-$25

Get calls from all sorts of crap with little to no equity.

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05-12-2018 , 01:04 PM

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Matt98

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I'd go for a small size, like $25-35. This is a board where MP is going to whiff a lot. If you bet small here, you go for small value, and when you have to C-bet bluff a board like this you don't have to size big.

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05-12-2018 , 01:23 PM

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aross76

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In game I usually size my bet larger in similar situations that most ITT, b/c there are not that many good turn cards for us, obviously we pick up equity OTT here but most of the time an overcard hits the turn and makes the hand more difficult if anyone puts more money in the pot and we have not improved.

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05-12-2018 , 01:49 PM

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mdelore

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Originally Posted by sai1b0ats

What a tricky spot. Jam flop might be best if tight player can fold 88.

A smaller overbet would probably achieve same result and would have to work less of the time. This is an interesting option.

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05-12-2018 , 02:10 PM

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Trey5Suited

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Originally Posted by matzah_ball

Fold pre

$40 now

I'm not sure I understand why you would fold A6s from middle position with two limpers already in front of you unless you have players behind you who are habitually raising and 3-betting.

I would probably have over-limped, though there's certainly an argument for sticking in a raise depending on the proclivities of your table mates, especially if someone is likely to raise the limpers behind you but just call or fold if you stick the raise in yourself. It's also likely a good choice if you feel you have control of the existing limpers. Folding strikes me as the least viable option.

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05-12-2018 , 04:40 PM

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jimicornerstone

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I think I limp behind if I’m expecting a lot of limp/calls. Def not folding pre though.

I prob go $40 otf, but could see smaller being better.

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05-12-2018 , 05:34 PM

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johnnyBuz

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If table is super soft you can probably get away with a limp. Raising and whiffing these hands really adds up and effective stacks aren’t deep enough to make it necessary.

Good flop I’d bet $35-40.

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05-12-2018 , 06:40 PM

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LordRiverRat

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V1 (UTG): 30s Asian woman, tight/passive ($250)
V2 (EP): MABG, drinking and loose/passive ($400)
Hero (MP): late 20s Asian guy, LAG winning image (covers)

V1 and V2 limp. Hero makes it $20 with A

. BB calls and both villains call.

Flop: 6

($80)

Checked to hero. Hero bets $30. Both villains call.

Turn: 8

($170)

Checked to hero. Hero ???

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05-12-2018 , 07:45 PM

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johnnyBuz

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Take your equity to the river. Either of them could have been slow playing 44/22/53. 57 just got there and 86 pulled ahead. You’re never folding a better hand by betting the turn so betting serves no purpose.

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05-12-2018 , 08:00 PM

#19

8o8

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not folding pre you NITS. (edit: thought we were BTN. in MP i will sometimes fold this but often am limping in or raising. depends on the game)

flop sizing is fine.

turn check back, we just don't get through here very often and that's what we'd want if we bet. let's see the river.

Last edited by 8o8; 05-12-2018 at 08:03 PM. Reason: edit: thought we were BTN

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05-12-2018 , 08:04 PM

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Cyo

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

Agree 100%.

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05-12-2018 , 08:36 PM

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samo

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Check back turn. Betting and getting raised would be ugly for Hero's equity.

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05-13-2018 , 07:39 PM

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LordRiverRat

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Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,694

V1 (UTG): 30s Asian woman, tight/passive ($250)
V2 (EP): MABG, drinking and loose/passive ($400)
Hero (MP): late 20s Asian guy, LAG winning image (covers)

V1 and V2 limp. Hero makes it $20 with A

. BB calls and both villains call.

Flop: 6

($80)

Checked to hero. Hero bets $30. Both villains call.

Turn: 8

($170)

Checked to hero. Hero bets $60. V1 folds V2 calls.

--- ACTUAL ---

River: 9

($290)

Checked to hero. Hero ???

--- HYPOTHETICAL ---

River: 9

($290)

Checked to hero. Hero ???

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05-13-2018 , 07:45 PM

#23

8o8

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i prolly bet like $150

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05-13-2018 , 07:53 PM

#24

sai1b0ats

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I generally also bet the turn, although we werent given enough read detail on V1 to say for sure.

Shove the heart river. B/f 90 the club river.

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05-13-2018 , 07:55 PM

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sai1b0ats

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Possible best advice was
Jam flop
AP jam turn
AP jam river

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