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1/3 NL : River decision with JJ 1/3 NL : River decision with JJ

12-28-2012 , 01:00 AM
Live 1/3 NL

CO, covers. Younger opponent. Appears to be a regular at another room in the area based on table chatter. He seems to be playing somewhat weak-tight. Certainly more bark than bite at this point.

Me, $475ish. I would assume my opponent views me as somewhat competent. I may appear tight, I'm unsure.

Pre-Flop : Opponent open raises to $15 in the Cut-Off, folds to me, and I call in the Big-Blind with JJ.

Flop : $30ish. Heads-up. 972 . I check, Opponent bets $15, I check-raise to $60, Opponent calls.

Turn : $150ish. 7 . I bet $95. Opponent calls.

River : $340ish. T I ?

I think i had around $300 left. Should I have shoved, check/called, or check/folded?

The ten makes some draws, my opponent could have hit them or even could be less likely to call with worse holdings now that some draws have came in too. TT now beats me. What types of hands will call a value-bet? What types of hands will bet this river if I check? I can't think of many. So checking and folding the best play? Or is the pot big enough that I should call a bet? Or should I shove myself?

These spots come up so often and I try to work on them. Yet I always find myself getting confused as every rationale always seems to make some sense. Grrrrrr...
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12-28-2012 , 01:23 AM
Heck of a line for a weak tight player.
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12-28-2012 , 01:46 AM
reason for flatting pre? reason for c/r flop? if you plan the hand from the beggining you won't be in such difficult spots otr.

AP i honestly think its a c/f. he called your c/r. called your lead ott. if he is weak/tight then go with your read. this is exactly how a weak/tight opponent would play QQ-AA.
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12-28-2012 , 02:03 AM
What is villains stack?

Edit: never mind, just noticed "covers".
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12-28-2012 , 02:03 AM
I call pre-flop instead of re-raise because I don't think my opponent has a very wide calling range compared to his opening range.

I check-raise the flop because I feel that my opponent can have many holdings that connect with that board. JJ is stronger than most of those holdings. I think JJ has more value playing it fast than trying to bluff catch vs this type of opponent. Check/calling and check/folding later streets seems exploitable too.

I understand how it seems wrong that I felt my opponent was too tight to re-raise JJ pre-flop but now I feel comfortable check-raising JJ on the flop. I'm open for suggestions. I felt that I can get the most value from 9x, flush draws, TT, pair + draw, marginal pairs, etc. In my opponents mind I should be able to have a wide variety of hands to c/r this board too, draws, air, sets, over-pair, etc. I figure if bets are going to go in the middle my opponents range will be weakest when more bets go in on the flop?

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Originally Posted by fogodchao
reason for flatting pre? reason for c/r flop? if you plan the hand from the beggining you won't be in such difficult spots otr.

AP i honestly think its a c/f. he called your c/r. called your lead ott. if he is weak/tight then go with your read. this is exactly how a weak/tight opponent would play QQ-AA.
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12-28-2012 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by NDfan
What is villains stack?
It was over $1,000 and under $1,500. I can't remember exactly.
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12-28-2012 , 02:09 AM
Agree pretty strong from weak/tight. I don't think your ahead here enough, check/fold.
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12-28-2012 , 03:42 AM
tough spot.. I don't mind going into check call mode turn/riv pending
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12-28-2012 , 04:31 AM
Flop looked pretty good for your hand, why not just bet it, rather than check-raise when we have no clue what are opponent has?
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12-28-2012 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Ahutz
I call pre-flop instead of re-raise because I don't think my opponent has a very wide calling range compared to his opening range.

I check-raise the flop because I feel that my opponent can have many holdings that connect with that board. JJ is stronger than most of those holdings. I think JJ has more value playing it fast than trying to bluff catch vs this type of opponent. Check/calling and check/folding later streets seems exploitable too.

I understand how it seems wrong that I felt my opponent was too tight to re-raise JJ pre-flop but now I feel comfortable check-raising JJ on the flop. I'm open for suggestions. I felt that I can get the most value from 9x, flush draws, TT, pair + draw, marginal pairs, etc. In my opponents mind I should be able to have a wide variety of hands to c/r this board too, draws, air, sets, over-pair, etc. I figure if bets are going to go in the middle my opponents range will be weakest when more bets go in on the flop?
a weak/tight opponents opening raise does not really connect with that flop

problem is that you are over-repping the strength of your hand and are not in a good position to extract lots of value from a weak opponent. If V was real loose thats a different story
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12-28-2012 , 11:28 AM
I dont like the line you took but as played, I would go with c/c on the river..

why did u bet the turn?
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