Hi everyone, first post here. I played a lot online several years ago, mostly low/mid stakes tournaments, moderate winner at the time. Just getting into live play now that I have the time and money.

Background: Just arrived, this is my 3rd or 4th hand of the night. Villain is obvious reg (very young, backpack, large stack). Appears to be waiting for a bigger game. Table is loose passive so far.

Hero (UTG+2)$300 limps 22

V (CO) ~$1000 limps

2 others limp, 4 handed to the flop

Flop 6c 5s 2c

H: Bet $15

V +2 others call

Turn 6h

H: bet 45

V: calls. all others fold

River: 8s

H: bet 60

V: all in

H: 177 to call, pot around 215. Thoughts up to this point?

I would have bet more on the river, but other than that the sizing looks fine. I've recently stopped open limping small pocket pairs in EP and it seems to have helped my winrate. That's table dependent though i suppose.

What range do you have for V that doesn't make this a slam dunk, fist pump insta call?

More on the river. I believe the pot is $130. I would make another PSB. Other than that, the line is fine. I like to raise with all PP in EP without a raise or limp in front of me. I'd probably limp at a loose-passive table with only 100BB though.

Yeah I don't see how this is not an insta-call. If you're new to live games, my guess is that the villain hero read as much and thought he could bluff off a decent hand.

I have to discount the three hands that could beat us, 66, 55, or 65, because V would have likely raise our flop bet with so many people in the hand and lots of draws.

I don't know what the question is, you flopped a set in a limped pot which filled up, and you bet/bet/called a shove (hopefully).

Sometimes he will show up with a higher boat/flopped two pair, but the river jam was less than a psb. Nothing you can do. coolers happen.

I would have bet more on the turn and the rest on the river. Well played.

great sizing on all streets. really like the pot sized flop bet. Players at this level do no bet enough on the flop, and then bet too large on later streets.

as played, meh, he is obviously ranging you on at least 6x so the only real question is whether or not he is over valuing a straight, or if he has a bigger boat. I am leaning towards a fold, but calling is not horribad. most likely he has 68 or 88.

If villain is competent, he should not have many worse hands in his river raising range here.
any reads on him? did he open limp so far, was he involved in pots already, does he look competent, any live tells on him? how fast did he shove? did he say anything etc

might be my plo background, but I don´t think thats a snap call at all.

V called almost a PSB ott, so I can't believe he has a naked flush draw.
It was limped pre, so he could have any set, along with a flopped str8.
Odds are V didn't amass that 1k stack from runnin' hot - he bought pots along the way.

My plan ott, after V calls my almost PSB, is to c/call the river. Let him bet otr, for what he thinks is a value bet with his trips, semi-bluff it with a hand that has marginal SDV, like an overpair.

Your check otr should signal to him that you no longer think you are strong, or we're semi-bluff betting with a marginal hand & flush draw. PLUS: you have the lowest boat out there, which for me, becomes a bluff-catcher otr.

If he does have a boat, he should be betting for value & I think that wouldn't include going all-in after you ck otr, so we get to showdown @ a cheaper price.

i cant see myself folding, but i cant imagine how we're good here

Are you raising or folding these hands? Any idea why you were losing money with them? If you are folding, I assume you're still entering the pot if the table is deeper than normal?

The only thing we're beating is missed FD, a straight and 6x, and bluff repping 6, but 95% wouldnt do that. Most river raises are near nuts.

On the the turn if he doesn:t raise but shoves river I feel he boated, I can see him float flop w strong hand, i.e. he doeant have to raise.

Probably should fold here, but no one here is good enough to fold, so call it and give him your money.

This is pretty much what happened. I called, he turns over 6 8 for the boat.

Thanks for the replies, i agree with most of the analysis provided, no way I'm good enough to fold there even though it makes the most sense. No real reads since I just sat down, other than he was a solid reg.

I don't think this is about being good enough to fold. We have zero reads on V and this is 1/3. A straight would probably jam, A6 could jam, there are only a couple of hands that beat us and if he flopped 2pair or top set, why is he flatting the flop 4 ways with flush and straight draws?

we don't know if he's a gambling fish, or a professional waiting for 5/10. Just because he's waiting for a bigger game doesn't really tell us too much, but he could be overbetting his hands in 1/3.

I'm cool with preflop and flop.

I'd probably bet even bigger on the turn. Pot is $75, we're up against 3 opponets, and it's going to be difficult for anyone to fold a straight or even a 6x against us (an unknown).

Again, I'd bet way more on the river. Pot is $165 and we're only betting $60? If our small bet was to induce a shove from a busted draw (of which there are some), then I'm more cool with it (especially if we think this guy is capable of that), so now snap call (although obviously we run into bigger fullhouses some amount of the time too).

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If I've read the OP right, it's just $45 into ~$75 on the turn (it looks like there were 2 other callers on the flop).

I actually think I don't mind a check/call on the river, as many value betting players won't be able to check behind value hands (such as 6x / straights) plus a lot of them won't be able to stop themselves from betting their busted draws. Really opponent dependent; against morons I'm obviously betting big, but against this guy perhaps check/call is better?

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fold pre unless its for sure going limp MW. I bet way more on the river. There's 160 out there and we have like 240 back, make it like 100 and get a crying call from A6o. AP jam, tonnes of 5Xs, 6X, 34, 74, 52, in his range. 86 would be ******ed so leaves 55, and 66. That's like 4 combos to infinite combos we beat.

edit: Wow you guys are mubsy itt. This is standard fist pump shove gii spot at this depth in a vacuum. Turn sizing wasn't a PSB it was 45 into around 70 or 75, bet sizing on river was too small unless we're trying to induce a shove (in which case we now snap, high-five the dealer, and sign autographs). Sucks it was a cold deck but he called more than a PSB OTF with top pair - 8 kicker, then he called another bet OTT with trips - no kicker, then he hit his miracle, literally nothing to feel bad about.

Just a note about the bet sizing. This place is very tourist/rec heavy, bets in general are not related to the pot, so I've been conditioned to bet smaller. Perhaps this was a good spot to deviate from that against a solid player, just didn't make the mental switch.

The main question in these spots imo is more about "How much will he call" than "pot is X so I'll bet y% of X for max value".

I wouldn't mind having him call 60 if you think he was going to fold for 75+.

The way you've described villain, you're almost always up against a higher full house or quads here. 66-55-65-86 being the most likely holdings.

I'm okay with the bets on the flop and turn, but on the river you should prob be either b/f or ch/c. Think about what kind of hands you are trying to get 3 streets of value from on the river. A flopped straight likely raises your flop bet with so many other players in the pot. You are really only targeting a naked 6, which most likely will not pay off a 3rd street of value, and def won't shove the river without filling up.

Villain would have to be the spewiest of players to shove here without a nutted hand after you lead flop, turn, and river.

Ok, but it was limped pre with 2 more players after the CO limped. So either the Button folded and blinds called, or the SB folded.

So that would $3*4 = $12 + $45 otf = $57 - $6 rake [with $1 BBJ] is $51, which is why I said his $45 bet ott was damn near the size of the pot.

So now, with another $90 in the pot, it's ~$147.00.

I was thinking that with the pot being small, relative to the size of V's stack, he really doesn't have to put up much to take a stab at it otr, if Hero checks.

How much would we want to bet, if we had the nutz & wanted a call? Wouldn't that be the same amount V would bet if he was bluffin' or betting trips for value? Maybe a little more......