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1/3 Misplay AKo in 3bet Pot? 1/3 Misplay AKo in 3bet Pot?

06-04-2019 , 04:48 AM
1/3 NLHE

Hero has $270 which is effective stack size.

There is a limper.
Villain 1 raises to $20 from MP
Hero raises to $60 from LP with AK
Villain 2 calls from the BB
Limper folds

Pot is $180
flop is 652
V2 checks, V1 checks

Your move?

Villain 1 is young AG. He seems fishy, but thought his raise size indicated some strength.
Villain 2 is also young AG. He won a big pot by limp/trapping with Aces, about a dozen hands ago.
1/3 Misplay AKo in 3bet Pot? Quote
06-04-2019 , 05:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aulm
1/3 NLHE



Hero has $270 which is effective stack size.



There is a limper.

Villain 1 raises to $20 from MP

Hero raises to $60 from LP with AK

Villain 2 calls from the BB

Limper folds



Pot is $180

flop is 652

V2 checks, V1 checks



Your move?



Villain 1 is young AG. He seems fishy, but thought his raise size indicated some strength.

Villain 2 is also young AG. He won a big pot by limp/trapping with Aces, about a dozen hands ago.


Check.


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1/3 Misplay AKo in 3bet Pot? Quote
06-04-2019 , 06:06 AM
Not a great board for AK though not the absolute worst, still you would expect a lot of overcards from both villains. But I would check and fold the turn unless we hit an A or K.
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06-04-2019 , 07:05 AM
Snap x, BB cold calling 3b has a lot of mid to high pairs that will not fold on this board
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06-04-2019 , 07:45 AM
3-way, SPR of 1.1, at least one fishy opponent = check.

Near zero fold equity on shoving, and betting borders on commitment. If hand was HU, could downbet but not multi-way on a drawing texture.
1/3 Misplay AKo in 3bet Pot? Quote
06-04-2019 , 09:21 AM
Raise more pre.
Check flop all day.
1/3 Misplay AKo in 3bet Pot? Quote
06-04-2019 , 10:39 AM
3bet to 80-90 minimum since there is a limper in.

Snap check flop, as some have already stated villains will be showing up with 8s-js here alot.
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06-04-2019 , 10:53 AM
Even though there is a limper i think the 3b sizing is fine given how stack sizes are.
I think bb has TT and JJ here a lot.
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06-04-2019 , 11:33 AM
Kinda gross spot with only about a PSB behind. If V2 ain't a complete moron it sounds like he's tarping with a big hand again, so that leans me to just checking behind and hoping I bink. However, with just a little over a PSB behind, perhaps a ship with some FE against medium pears might be ok plus we ensure we get to the river to realize our equity (helps if we have a nit image and V2 isn't completely clueless and isn't auto-stacking off with lol TT here).

GunsureG
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06-04-2019 , 11:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpinzFTW
3bet to 80-90
I actually don't mind this idea as it leaves us with a PSB shove on any flop HU. I would typically utilize this overbetting strategy if I was slightly shorter and/or a bunch more dead money in the pot (as the risk vs reward is better).

GcluelessNLnoobG
1/3 Misplay AKo in 3bet Pot? Quote
06-05-2019 , 05:57 AM
I think the preflop sizing is fine. The guy opened almost 7x and we are under 200 bb’s deep, I don’t know why we need to more than 3x 3 bet here.
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06-05-2019 , 11:13 AM
Pre is fine. I probably just check behind. I doubt they are folding over-pairs or big flush draws, which could block our outs.

Other, sexier, option is to shove, but I'd be prepared to re-load.
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06-05-2019 , 05:28 PM
Grunching:

Sounds weak, but check it through. Get ready to fold turn.

Both V's should be very strong here given preflop action. V1's initial sizing more indicative of QQ-1010 than AA, KK, or a strong ace, but it would really help to know his habits before putting much weight on this.

Both Villains likely ranges:

PP's = 28
AA&KK: 4 combos (lightly discounted)
QQ-10's: 18 combos
9's-7's: 6 combos (heavily discounted)

Big Ace = 11
AK: 9 combos (not discounted but should be)
AQs: 2 combos (discounted)

FD's (non big Ace) = 3 maybe

Looking at this way, there is a roughly 90% chance we are against a PP from [I]at least[I] one villain. There is only a pot bet behind, and Villains don't sound all that nitty. (Thus, not much FE vs. PP.) We are more than 3-1 dogs against these hands. Not worth it.
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06-05-2019 , 06:06 PM
You have to check back and see a turn card. Most likely one of the Vs has a hand like TT or JJ and won't fold.

If the stacks were much deeper, then I would take a shot and bet $100. But you would need to have at least $300 or more behind. Since the pot is $180 and Hero has $210 behind....If you bet, likely one of the Vs will raise you all in and you will have to call since you will be getting about 4-1 on a call.

You won't get many hands better than AK to fold, so checking is the right play.
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06-06-2019 , 12:42 AM
I would call $20 not 3 bet.

Check/fold. Next hand!
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06-06-2019 , 04:20 AM
If we're check/folding all our AK, do we never have any bluffs on this board? Seems like it could be correct under certain game conditions, but I would need a read to have 0 bluffs in a spot. In any case, our natural bluffs are A Kx and Ax K so this combo of AK has to be a check. I would actually look at this situation a different way though. With SPR =1 and with position, this is an excellent spot to check back our entire range. We could look to make a small value bet with AK if action checks to us again on the turn.

Last edited by aisrael01; 06-06-2019 at 04:25 AM.
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06-06-2019 , 07:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Kinda gross spot with only about a PSB behind. If V2 ain't a complete moron it sounds like he's tarping with a big hand again, so that leans me to just checking behind and hoping I bink. However, with just a little over a PSB behind, perhaps a ship with some FE against medium pears might be ok plus we ensure we get to the river to realize our equity (helps if we have a nit image and V2 isn't completely clueless and isn't auto-stacking off with lol TT here).

GunsureG
He was tarping with a big hand.

AP hero shoved his remaining stack. V2 pondered for a bit, and then called. V1 ummed and ahhed, before finally folding.

V2 had KK

Hero did not suck out.
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