Shorty (UTG) - MAWG. Seems fishy. $100.

Old man (BB) - 70 year old man. Tight image. $500.

Hero (BTN) - Young LAGtard image. $400.

Shorty limps $3 UTG
Hero raises $18 BTN with 6h 6c
Old man calls $18 BB
Shorty calls $18

Flop ($50, 3ways) is Qh 6d 2h

2 checks
Hero bets $30
Old man calls $30
Shorty folds

Turn ($104) is Qh 6d 2h Td

Old man checks
Hero bets $80
Old man calls $80

River ($260) is Qh 6d 2h Td 4d

Old man jams $270 effective
Hero ???

Thoughts on all streets appreciated.

If he's really an OMC he basically has KQ or AQ here exclusively.

Preflop raise size is too big. $15 seems big enough.
Flop and turn seem fine.

I'd find a fold on the river.

This spot sucks, because he is OMC. Against most Vs this is a super easy call, with some missed hearts in their range, etc.

Even vs an OMC, though, IDK if I can fold middle set on this board. If he has AdQd, nh, but it seems that he has enough 22 and spazzy "take that LAGTARD" stuff in his range to make this a call.

Folding this against all OMCs and most passive women, too. Heck, folding this against most players in 1/2 and 1/3.

I'm not disagreeing that some players could jam here with missed hearts, but I think that's probably closer to 10% than the 34% you need here to call. This is far too often a shove for value. Bigger sets and 22 probably check-raise jam the turn with 2 flushes working.

I'm actually OK with the $18 pre-sizing in 1/3. Standard open is usually 4x or 5x and we had a limper and we're on the BTN. Potentially taking down the dead money with 66 isn't a bad result.

With the shortstack in there I just overlimp; we get in so many stupid commitment decisions ASAP and often just put in huge percentages of stacks as an underdog. Deeper, I used to think this was an autoraise after just one limper; now, I think it also plays just fine as an overlimp (undecided what is best, won't fight you either way). On a limited if-I-bust-my-poker-BR-I'm-lifebusto BR trying to avoid high variance swongs, it's an easy peasy overlimp and nothing else is remotely close, imo.

SPR is ~7.5 which means we can get stacks in with 3 ~3/4 PSBs, although betting larger on earlier streets will make it easier to get the last of the money in by the river. Board is drawy and no one folds a draw on the flop. I PSB the flop.

By the river we've left ourselves with just over a PSB and a decent amount of 1/3 NL $$$ at that, which suggests to me that our sizing on the flop and turn wasn't the greatest. We really want to have at most a 3/4 PSB left here and we could have easily accomplished that by betting larger on earlier streets (especially the flop).

Obviously we're never in love when an OMC decides to play for $400 stacks, but we see more 22/AA/KK/lolQT/etc. here than QQ and lol TT (although I guess 53hh got there too), so I think we have to snap it off. We made our bed preflop, imo.

ETA: Whoops, I didn't notice the backdoor flush got there. OMC don't jam flush boards with worse, and with 22 they probably do a small blocking bet knowing that we can't raise almost anything. If he's truly an OMC, probably a sigh fold.

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If you call expect a nitty old finger to point to the Ad after he turns over his AdQd.

Pre is fine. I would have gone a little bigger on the flop but a lot bigger on the turn (full psb). The OMC is a hard fish to get a bite from, but once he's on the hook he's not letting go. He didn't come to the poker room to fold to a maniac with TPTK. And when he called the flop, his range is AQ, KQ, Ahxh, KK+.

The OP never said OMC he said tight image. This is different than OMC. Would have liked larger on flop which would have alllowed larger on turn. AP I agree this is AdQd quite a lot. Probably call in game because i’m A POW.

From OP Old man (BB) - 70 year old man. Tight image. $500.

Also see the thread title

So i’m A dumb-ass and maaaybe didn’t read the title. My bad.

don't even think about it. fold.

I feel this is a fairly easy fold. Once in a blue moon he might show 22 or a bluff, but not enough for us to call here.

Just because he's an "old man, tight image" doesn't equate to an OMC. That's too general of a read anyway. How long have you played with him? I would need some serious reads on someone to assume he's not doing this with anything less than a BDFD to fold for a PSB otr. If you're image is a "LAGtard", don't you think he can do this with less than a flush and wouldn't he raise with sets otf or ott? I don't see enough info to fold. What is your read on him? What hands have you seen him play so far?

I mean, I haven't played with this exact player for too long, but he's an old guy with a very neatly stacked stack of chips. He rarely raises preflop and I haven't seen him get involved in too many big pots either. Never caught him bluffing either.

Results:

Don't fold face up, ever. It is an ego leak.

Isn’t it great when they play their hand face up for you? This is Qxdd almost always, so fold river and if he shows you a bluff somehow then nh old guy. Sets and 2p (unlikely on this board) are going to raise turn a huge percentage of the time. If V doesn’t have Qxdd I’d be pretty shocked.

This is also a great spot to overbet the flop and/or turn because nobody folds Qx or a draw and you aren’t going to get action from much else anyway.

Wow definitely not even close to an OMC.

How did you peg him as one?

How's that not an OMC?

He defended his BB against a perceived LAGtard. He called flop because he had top pair. He called turn because he had a flush draw to go with his top pair. Then he leads river when he gets there, expecting the loose player to pay him off lightly.

I think this is about definitions, but OMC in my definition plays like a rock, think vpip of less than 10pct. I doubt he plays this hand on the button, let's alone BB.

Another way how many people here would say call a suited 2 gapper OOP to a big raise from a Lag?

This isn't how you define an OMC. It's not someone who stacks his chips neatly who you haven't played with too long or seen him get involved in too many hands. So basically the guy was an unknown.

Folding a set face up is horrible. It's not all about showing the table how great of a fold you made (I still think this was a call) since those ego trips are going to come back to bite you in the ass later.