I have AcAs. One early position limper, I make it 15 in UTG+2, end up getting 4 callers (this was a mistake already on my part given the table only raising to 15, but ignore this and just focus on flop) and flop comes Q96 all clubs, so I have overpair w/ A high flushdraw.

I lead for 20 (another terribly bad bet, which I recognize and think this shoulda been 35 at an absolute minimum, probably 40-45). Villain 1 in MP raises 75, everyone folds except Villain on button who calls, action back to you.

After the raise to 75, villain 1 has ~400, villain 2 has ~530, hero has ~750. What's the optimal way for moving forward here on the flop and what are expectations for proceeding on the turn/river?

Thanks

Very easy call here. We are way ahead / way behind with the nut redraw. Great odds. Turn th nuts, easy game.

At least 50 or 60 OTF. Pre is fine I think.. sometimes I make it 25$ pre with AA and everyone folds, sometimes I make it 15$ and get 30 callers.. it's tough to gauge. I'm calling AP, I think raising gets us in hot water and there's still two streets to get the money in.

grunch

Yes 20 pre, 40 on flop.

AP call flop, getting pretty much direct odds to draw to the nuts and might have best hand.

I guess turn I check and eval the odds when i gets back to me. If you get a club check raise I guess.

I think you’re being pretty results oriented.

The preflop raise to $15 over a limper seems pretty standard. At best, I’m going $18.

OTF, the pot is $75 and we’re 5 way on a monotone Q hi flop. With the Ac in our hand, the main hands we want to target are Qx, KcX and random straight draws. I don’t think we need to go too big here because we are not scared of many turns. I’d go $35 personally.

Tough spot when we get raised. Could we have induced something like AQ to overplay considering we cbet so small? Probably not, since it’s LLSNL. So V’s most likely hands are flopped flushes, sets and 2p. The overcall is super strong.

Do we think we can get them to fold by re-raising here? I don’t really like a call too much as we won’t get paid if a fourth club rolls over, and we’ll very often have to c/f the turn to a sizeable bet since it’ll be obvious by then that someone flopped a flush. But in game, I’m probably calling too and praying to bink the turn.

Overall, I don’t like the situation too much although it looks very attractive.

Thanks for the input everyone.

@ Bold: I don't mean that in the sense that I got 4 callers but how the table had been playing. I won the prior pot and was distracted stacking my chips when bet got to me and i hadn't even checked my cards so I essentially just saw AA and quickly threw three reds in. Given how I'd been raising preflop and how the table has been calling loose pre, I should have without a doubt made it 20. The result may have been the same w/ 4 callers, but still very unlikely it folds around and even if I got 4 callers still I'd rather have the larger pot preflop w/ AA.



The way the hand actually went was I jammed on the flop expecting that I would have some fold equity vs 2pairs and sets which would have me beat at showdown if I didn't improve, w/ the potential that I could get a low flush to fold as well (much less likely). I did some quick math after the fact and think I only need a fold ~17% of the time to have this be a positive EV play.

However, in retrospect, I think it's probably higher EV to just call, see the turn, and potentially have to fold the turn if things escalate too much on a bad turn card.

The way this played out was that the initial raiser on the flop had AQ no club, the caller had a made J high flush, I jam the flop, villian 1 quickly folds, villian 2 calls, board runs out T, T, no club. I take large hit.

Definite call here. Facing a raise and a call you are likely behind now but are getting a good price on your re-draw. I'd call the flop and then check/eval.

Shoving doesn't make much sense here. There are very very few worse hands that ever call, and no better hand is folding. Raising as a semi-bluff makes a lot more sense with the naked A where folding out Qx is a big win. But with our overpair of AA we are much better off keeping weaker hands in then trying to force them out.

Your preflop result is standard at any 1/3 NL table I've ever played at. If you're comfortable in bloated pots OOP to the world with an overpair that is highly unlikely to improve, then keeping doing preflop this way; if not, do something different (for instance. I would limp/reraise here always).

I might just check/evaluate this flop. We have a showdownable hand and don't really fear any draw (since we have the nut one), so I just check to evaluate who (tight vs loose, small stack vs big stack, etc.) is interested in the hand and play accordingly.

As played, we're already getting the odds we need to chase our flush draw (although admittedly some of our outs could easily be out). I would just call and see what happens.

GcluelessNLnoobG

The size of your raise, so long as it is "reasonable", has no affect on the number of callers you get.

Gdowiththatknowledgewhatyouseefit,imoG

In a general sense this is just wrong in my experience. $12 pulls fewer players than $7. $17 pulls fewer than $12. The number of callers you get is mostly dependent on the action of the players to your direct left, if you raise and get called other players view themselves as being priced in and will call with any number of trash hands.

As played I think you just have the best hand most of the time. Call is probably best, shove is probably also good.

I agree that getting called in one early spot will often start the train of multiple callers. I just don't think $5 in a 1/3 NL game makes any difference whatsoever to the frequency of that first call.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Yeah as expected.. the overall OTB was super strong. Which is why I don’t really like peeling to hit another club because our pair of aces is virtually worthless and all we have is the bare Ac drawing to the nut flush.

I think a check/call in this spot wouldn’t be so bad.

EZ call here. Anything else is either a huge overplay (raising) or a soul burning decision (folding getting $235/$55 or over 4-1).

Thanks for the comments. I agree. I played this poorly and it cost.

Whenever you are given pocket AAs you should mentally be ready that this could be a all in situation before the flop is even shown. With that said, seeing this flop shouldnt stirr you away from folding your AAs. you have the best pair and the nut flush draw. Yes its very scary to get your AAs cracked but you should always play your aces very carefully but believe in them. which means not betting small as tempted to fold since you only have 1 suit.


this was a favorable call for you. if you did miss your flush but ended up showing your cards to showdown, even if you lost, the players would have recognized that you had literally the one hand that would probably have to call here. its unfavorable yes but its worth the risk