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06-27-2019 , 06:49 PM
Splashy Wednesday afternoon $1-3 game, got it up to $850,,

Hero CO: is 34 year old grinder , on my 1st buyin , running okay, mixing it up a bit ,

Villian UTG : ($2100) young chinese LAG guy, seems to be in every other pot,
running very hot, playing all the cards, does not like to fold on flops in preflop raised pots , likes to mix it up and put pressure on people, generally when the money goes in he has the winning hand, albeit with 10 4 off ,

seen him check call preflop raiser for potsized bet on a board of 7 Q 5 with K5 and be good, hasnt really shown any bluffs persay but hes running hot and playing all the cards , although he seems loose he knows the dynamics and where he is at in the hand to some degree,

OTTH:

$6 straddle is on, two limps,
Hero ( CO ) is dealt 89 , bump it to $30
V ( UTG) calls $30, goes heads up

Flop ($70) 1023
V checks, hero leads $30, V min raises $60, I decide to float and see what happens, was tired of getting pushed around by this guy, lol

Turn ($190) 7 V leads $150 , first thought that came to my head was to re raise here, but I decide to call ,

River ($490) K V checks , Hero with around $600ish behind, I decide I have to go for it and bet $175 , honestly at this point I felt I was targeting top pair / 1p type hands to fold,


Some thoughts :
- some constructive comments would be appreciated for each street,
will post results later,

thanks in advance for comments guys,
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06-27-2019 , 07:08 PM
Who the **** is folding top pair or even a good second pair to that river bet?
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06-27-2019 , 07:18 PM
Stick it in on turn as played.
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06-27-2019 , 07:36 PM
Pre is meh
Every other street is bad
Flop - you have 9 high but also two BD draws. Guy seems to like calling. Please don’t bet.
Turn - AP just an odd spot you put yourself in. You really want to call with 6 clean outs to that bet? I’d like to hear your rationale as to why.
River - you missed, played weird, and V has a non-Zero hand. Just give up.
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06-27-2019 , 07:43 PM
Usually I like coming in for a raise pre, but your hand benefits from playing multiway. I’m not knocking the raise, it’s fine (I think) but just something to consider in these straddled pots when you’re IP.

There’s something like $70 in the pot, so I want to see a larger sizing here. We have all over pairs, trip tens, as well as overs in our range. I like the bet here, this is a great bluffing spot with plenty of options to pick up equity OTT and keep barreling. I like your float.

I would like to see a raise OTT. you picked up your OE and this gives you a great opportunity to apply pressure. You aren’t getting the direct odds to call here, so you have to be sure you can get his stack if your draw comes in and I’m not sure we can. His range rates to be mostly mid pairs that he limp-called pre. Our range has, again all the over pairs (which his is unlikely to) and we do have NFDs in our range along with the suited connectors that have turned additional equity and trip tens. So, I think our range is sufficiently strong here to continue bluffing.

I like your decision to stab at the river. You have no show down value and have to do something to try to pick it up. I would, however, have sizes up. Way up. Ship it. You bet just over 1/4 pot which is just not likely to get him to lay down much. I think an overbet shove would be great here and would continue the story of a big hand.

These are just my thoughts, take them as you will.
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06-27-2019 , 07:48 PM
So the guy doesnt like folding at all postflop, has x/c bottom pair vs a PSB, and is quite LAG/puts pressure.

And you decide to bet flop and stick in more money post with 9 high with very little FE and being way behind.

If you wanna bluff river size it up like a man
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06-27-2019 , 07:56 PM
I don't mind the 3bet pre but I'm probably checking the flop for pot control / rep showdown value. Especially against this villain, I don't want to set up a situation where we're playing for stacks with such little equity OTF.

As played, I don't like the turn call. It sounds like you were too mentally / emotionally invested in this hand when you say that you were "tired of getting pushed around by this guy". I think this was a big factor and led you to make a suboptimal call OTT. Jamming the turn here would be a baller play, calling is horrible.

Also, the river bet is too small IMO.
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06-27-2019 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
So the guy doesnt like folding at all postflop, has x/c bottom pair vs a PSB, and is quite LAG/puts pressure.

And you decide to bet flop and stick in more money post with 9 high with very little FE and being way behind.

If you wanna bluff river size it up like a man
This. I like creative plays but it just seems like button clicking given the reads you have of V.
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06-28-2019 , 09:21 AM
I like it. This is a good board to make a stand and b/c the flop from position. By calling raise and turn you narrow down your range now while villain could be probing with a 2x 3x Tx and 45o all of which plays weak vs an open and calling range you have.

Bet size is good on river as long as it’s consistent with what you have done for value but I don’t think top pair would fold for this amount. Well played hand in this specific spot as long as you know it’s meta value when it fails.

Last edited by JeffChang; 06-28-2019 at 09:27 AM.
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06-28-2019 , 09:51 AM
I dislike most of this play, especially river sizing. This guy knows where he's at, but you think you can outplay him with 9 high? If you are tired of getting pushed around, raise his silly min-raise on the flop. What hand are you representing? What do you think folds river for $175? If you want a fold but don't want to look bluffy, make a reasonable bet of at least half pot -- maybe he'll think you backed into a flush, which is about the only hand that makes sense.

The only time this works is if V truly has no pair.
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06-28-2019 , 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
I dislike most of this play, especially river sizing. This guy knows where he's at, but you think you can outplay him with 9 high? If you are tired of getting pushed around, raise his silly min-raise on the flop. What hand are you representing? What do you think folds river for $175? If you want a fold but don't want to look bluffy, make a reasonable bet of at least half pot -- maybe he'll think you backed into a flush, which is about the only hand that makes sense.

The only time this works is if V truly has no pair.
This. Also an excellent double entendre from Javanewt at the end lol.
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06-28-2019 , 11:41 AM
I would mostly just overlimp because I'd expect a raise at this splashy game versus 3 people to limit the field almost never, but looks like we somehow managed that so whatever.

Another thing I'm not particularly fond of is that we're going to be going up against this guy who isn't just going to roll over and let us have the pot, and while we'll have position (good), we'll also have 9 high a lot (not so good). Which makes flop really meh. Against an ABC fit/fold player, but all means, bet/fold. But against a guy who knows what is going on, I might actually think of checking back (making it look like I'm pot controlling with a big pair). Facing a check/raise (which can happen a lot here from this guy) just puts us in a pretty dumb spot with a dumb hand.

On the turn we're facing a huge bet, getting barely over 2:1 to chase a 5:1 shot, and will have 9 high if we miss. All this for getting tired of being pushed around by one guy.

I can certainly understand our need to go for it on the river cuz we're never winning a showdown. Thing is we should never have gotten to the river with a naked K, so he's really not worried about that. Would we really be betting QQ-? It's a weird spot cuz there's no busted draws we should really be chasing, and therefore no reason for him to check monsters to induce. So maybe it's possible he simply was getting way out of line with very little / nothing, so at this point I don't hate a valuey looking bluff which is screaming "please call!".

ETA: Totally missed that backdoor flush came in on the turn and got there on the river. Which means there is actually much more of a chance he actually does have a monster (and simply scared checked the river, likely to call a bet cuz us getting there with a backdoor was unlikely).

GbutIwouldhavefoldedearlierG
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08-03-2021 , 02:00 AM
Well hello everyone , revisiting my old posts and great info from everyone , I am back after a few years for the spoiler , spoiler : villian calls with weak pair and I lose another pot ..... See you in another 2 years ...
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08-03-2021 , 01:46 PM
Lol, nice.

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