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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Where do you come up with this stuff? JTs is just simply profitable in EP, there's nothing to say otherwise, full stop?
Not saying for a second good players likely can't make this spot profitable. And I'd guess for most winning players it's probably a whatever case that has little affect either way on their bottom line. And for everyone else, barring amazing table conditions, my guess that folding is far away the best option (and not close).
GbutI'moutvoted,socarryonG
You keep saying your outvoted and many will disagree but you keep on coming in to threads and posting. If you look at your posts, you are one the few people on here that actually thinks you have it all figured out.
Everyone on here is trying to improve their game to MAXIMIZE their edge. That means we are looking for the most +EV lines to crush the games, not to just be a nit that makes a profit.
To think that JTs is a fold in EP against the kiddie table is just laughable. Fine, limp pre if your table is loose passive and short-stacked. Easy game. But folding? Nobody agrees with you because this hand flops so well and our opponents are so so bad. I can list like 5 different scenarios why playing this hand is profitable against our terrible opponents.
-They will make like 1/4th pot bets on the flop and give us super good odds to draw, plus pay off big bets when we hit.
-When we hit marginal top pair hands, our opponents will play face up and check with weak holdings and never bluff us off our hand. They have OBVIOUS bet sizing tells like betting tiny with marginal hands and betting pot when they have a huge hand.
-Also, there are times we can (GASP!) turn our hand into a bluff on the river and rep a flush when our straight draw misses against an OMC that has an obvious top pair.
-Or we can semi-bluff turns when a face up abc player bets $15 into a pot of $70 with his one pair holding and we have a tight image that can rep 2pairs and sets (hey we limped in after all...)
When players are this freaking bad, we want to play lots and lots of pots with them. We cant do that when we are folding pre. Especially folding a hand that is strong enough to come in for a raise!
GG, you are playing too tight and getting flamed because you are actually offering bad advice to anyone who wants to get good. The only people that would benefit from folding pre is the newbie player that will stack off with top pair. Im pretty sure most on this forum are beyond that stage.