Hero has been at the table 30 min. I just doubled up Villain 2 with about $200 effective stacks after flopping an overpair of 8s, getting check/raised by the nut straight, and shoving over the top on a wet board. That's been my only hand of note. So I probably look like the rare sighting of a tight spewtard.

Effective stacks ~$300.

Villain 1 is a bad LAG from what I've seen in the past 30 minutes. Raises many hands pre and raises draws and hands like top pair post. Doesn't know when to chill out though and is likely rather spewy but he has been winning in this game today.

Villain 2 is loose and somewhere between passive and aggressive. That's really all I have on him at this point apart from the hand history above.

Folds to villain 2 who limps in MP. Folds to Hero in the SB who raises to 15 with 9c9s. Thoughts? I felt as though I was way ahead of Villain 2's range and wanted to play a big pot if I flopped a set. Villain 1 calls from the BB. Villain 2 calls.

Flop($40): AcTd9h. Ok cool. I bet $35 for fat value with the hope someone flopped an A here. Thoughts? Both villains call.

Turn($145): 6s. Hero?

Pre: Good
Flop: Good
Turn: bet 110.

I agree with your reasoning for raise pre.

Flop is nice value bet and getting called in two spots is gravy.

I'd bet 100 flat on turn. I don't think checking is a viable action at all for obv reasons.

I'm cool with preflop. I'm raising not because I'm ahead of the single limpers range (which we are) nor because I want to stack off if we flop a monster (duh, but this also applies to ATC). I'm raising because it is most likely going to be HU and we'll have a manageable SPR, even OOP, even when we don't flop necessarily well (which we often won't). I don't think it's a crime to simply complete here either.

Thanks to BB unexpectedly calling, the SPR is a rather awkwardish 6.3. Typically on drawy boards like this I would simply PSB/PSB/shove. But with this SPR, this would leave us with a rather lol 1/4 PSB for the river. I definitely want to bet huge on the flop, as no A or draw is folding for one bet, so make it big for max value. The only question is whether I'm cool with going PSB/PSB/lolbet, or whether I'm more cool with PSB+/PSB+ to get things over with by the turn. On this drawy board, I think I'm ok with the latter line, so like $65 into $45 to setup a $220 shove into $175. But a PSB/PSB/lolbet is also ok. No hand calls $35 on this board and doesn't call $50, imo, so bet more either way on the flop.

On the turn we have $250 left in a $145 pot. We're in the same awkward spot sizing wise, in that a PSB of $145 leaves a rather silly $105 into $435. With two people showing interest, I'm fine with an overbet shove here.

ETA: Whoops, I thought there was a flush draw on the flop. Much cooler with a bet/bet/bet line since there are a lot fewer action killing cards.

GcluelessNLnoobG

But wouldn't the SPR be good for 99 if I just completed? Our target SPR is basically 8 thru infinity here. So why would that be the main consideration?

Yes, completing also creates a fine SPR, especially if we are just setmining, (and if there were a lot more limpers I would be a lot more on board with this, although obviously this is a borderline hand that could be played a variety of different ways). But since there is just one limper, we're not in a setmining only spot, and more likely just to see a HU pot, so raising for value and still playing a most likely a reasonable SPR (albeit OOP) is fine too; the trickier the limper is, the more we might consider limping OOP.

As I say, I thought the flop had a flush draw, where I think you could then agrue for overbetting both flop/turn to get stacks in ASAP. With no flush draw on this flop, just bet/bet/betting is pretty standard here.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Preflop is fine but given your position and hand limping would be OK also. You will generally be heads up when you raise and will be able to c-bet a lot of flops against a villain with a very wide range. 99 is ahead of his range but it isn't a hand that plays well OOP post flop unless you do hit a set.

Flop you hit your set and the board is strong and not dry. Strong in the sense that villains either likely have a good hand/draw or just fold to any bet on this flop. Given two opponents I might have bet $40 on this flop, but anything $30-$40 is fine.

Things get weird when you get two calls on the flop. Stack sizes is $250 with $145 in the pot. All of the bet sizes are awkward, shoving is too big but smaller bets leave you committed with a very small stack. OOP against 2 opponents I would go with the shove.

At this point in the hand (turn card played), are we ever folding? If the answer is no, I think just shove. We have 2 opponents who like their hand so far. The board is relatively wet including a possible 2pair on top of us. We have two V's behind us who may be on different draws and if one comes along we just about give the right price with a $100 turn bet for both to call with any number of draws. There's very few "safe" cards here. A,T,K,Q,J,8,7 can get somebody there. Just charge them the max and don't let them off the hook with a cheap river.

Shove 2x pot?

C'mon now

It's only a 1.7 PSB shove. For those not counting the pot exactly and just seeing a mountain of chips in the pot, it looks like a fairly reasonable (albeit admittedly big) bet.

Gshovingisfine,imoG

I'm surprised by the open shove advice tbh. I know awkward sizing is the motivation, but what about the downside of folding out AJ, QJ, etc.? Also, it seemingly takes all bluffs out of my range. Who overbet shoves air here other than total maniacs that lose 10bbs an hour?

Shoving here is awful.

Even the fun players know they can't call with their straight draws or top pair.

Only hand that calls is maybe two pair or 78

Didn't you just shove the turn in a previous thread against TP? What did that TP do?

Mediocre hands (ex. middle pair, no draw) are pretty unlikely to call any reasonable bet in a 3way pot. Don't worry about them.

Or maybe someone just feels lucky with their OESD.

Or maybe someone puts us on KQs ("why so much?"). After all, we are a "tight spewtard". (love this description)

And one guy is described as bad loose, while the other guy is described as loose. Doesn't sound like we're up against Nitty McNitterson.

FWIW, if we made it slightly more on the flop, a shove turn becomes way easier (although admittedly that is somewhat results oriented thinking as I doubt we expected both players to call).

GcluelessNLnoobG

90 to 100 is fine. Will leave you 150 to 160 in a 320+ pot on the river.

About shove no shove. If it's where I play and after 1am, it's a clear shove, any gutshot will call. I can see $110 setting up trivial river shove during "normal" hours, but I don't think a shove is ever bad.

I like a bigger bet otf and a ck/shove ott? Or is it too much of a risk that they both ck behind?

Idk man. But I did check turn! I felt as though an Ace behind me would bet and me CRAI'ing would be the best way to get all the money in. I'd normally take a bet/bet/bet line with such a strong hand, but given the board and villains, I was pretty sure there'd be a bet behind me.

Hero checks. Villain 1 bets 75ish. Villain 2 calls. Hero? I mean, obv shove or is anyone somehow against that? Anyone think I should've bet turn regardless of read?

I like preflop and flop. I bet the turn like $110 or so and then shove every river.

I'm not super happy about x/r due to increased danger of folding, but now we have $300 in the pot and $250 behind, it's a lol easy shove.

Disagree

Obvious shove is obvious. I like you going for the x/r here. I mean, given the read, a bet from V1 is almost automatic, and traps V2 between y'all.

Don't know why everyone wants to blow V's off their hand. Bet $80 on the turn and shove almost any river. Too easy for V's to fold with only $50 invested and hero repping AK+

Hmmm, did you miss the turn action? Hero checked, V1 bet 75 and V2 called. Vs have invested 125 apiece and Hero now has approx 250, and a pot of 295.....

Seems like everyone wants to open shove turn. Obviously it's a shove after checking.

Ok so I CRAI. Villain 1 tanked shortly and then folded. Said he had an A. Villain 2 calls with 78 and his hand holds up. My mega lame downswing continues.

Anyone think I made a mistake with the CRAI here? Should I have just bet? Or would you do what I did if you were confident there'd be a bet behind us?

One more try to get a response here.