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1/3 Flop Decision With AK 1/3 Flop Decision With AK

05-22-2014 , 11:06 AM
Hero(550): Just sat down a few orbits ago. Young 20's table doesnt have any significant reads on me at this point.

Villain(208): I been watching the game for a while and this V has been splashing around quite a bit. Saw him call a raise to 20 earlier with Q-2 suited. Seems to overplay his big hands.

PRE:

There is a 7 dollar straddle on and Hero raises to 25 UTG with AK and get 6 callers!! I realized later in the game that this was too small. This is the loosest game I have ever played in by far and realized after that this should have been closer to 40.

FLOP:

A83

Checks to hero who bets 60. Folds around to V who goes all in for 183 total. Hero???
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05-22-2014 , 11:18 AM
Uhhh... snap call. Pot is way too big ti consider folding. Also, you bet $60 on the flop into what should have been a $175 pot? Needs to be at least $100 there.
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05-22-2014 , 11:26 AM
Sounds like we don't quite have a handle on the table dynamics yet due to just sitting down. If we hadda known about the looseness of the table then I think one preflop option would be to limp/reraise. If it limps around, fine, AKs plays just fine multiway. Otherwise, especially if stacks are on the small side like villain's, we can just limp/shove and should have huge FE as well as decent hand equity if called with lottsa dead money in the pot. It's sometimes difficult to know what size we have to open to at this table, and we can easily end up in the spot we did.

We're in quite a sucky flop spot now. Are there other deeper stacks like us involved or is everyone else rather short? Villain has just over a PSB left and we have TPTK on a flush draw board. I mean, as much as we don't like committing against 1 of 6 villains who could have outflopped us, I think this is an easy commit against this stack. I think one option on this flop, especially with deeper stacks involved, is to check and see what happens; if like 3 people are willing to give action or maybe 1 guy + a known nit, etc., then *maybe* we can consider folding.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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05-22-2014 , 11:32 AM
Fist pump hot fire flames snap.
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05-22-2014 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Sounds like we don't quite have a handle on the table dynamics yet due to just sitting down. If we hadda known about the looseness of the table then I think one preflop option would be to limp/reraise. If it limps around, fine, AKs plays just fine multiway. Otherwise, especially if stacks are on the small side like villain's, we can just limp/shove and should have huge FE as well as decent hand equity if called with lottsa dead money in the pot. It's sometimes difficult to know what size we have to open to at this table, and we can easily end up in the spot we did.
I wouldn't have thought of this, but I like this idea A LOT. At a loose, active table this should be significantly more +EV than open raising if the stack sizes are on the shallower side.

As played, I think you have to call but you're not feeling great about it. Hopefully he has enough AQ, AJ and draws in his range to make up for the times he has A8, A3, and sets.
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05-22-2014 , 05:37 PM
+1
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05-22-2014 , 05:58 PM
Clear snap. If villain is playing Q2 suited, he could literally have any two diamonds here and would ship all of them. He also probably ships any ace. Sure you'll be behind sometimes but you are crushing his range.
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05-22-2014 , 06:05 PM
Hero leads 60 into 175 to induce. Villain complies. Hero follows his plan.
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05-22-2014 , 06:37 PM
Don't ever limp rr with akss (it turns your hand soo face up to even the fish) just open it for value...

There are very specific spots to break out the limp rr with a weakish hand but this is not it...

U did fine up to now.. As played call
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05-22-2014 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bga22892
Hero(550): Just sat down a few orbits ago. Young 20's table doesnt have any significant reads on me at this point.

Villain(208): I been watching the game for a while and this V has been splashing around quite a bit. Saw him call a raise to 20 earlier with Q-2 suited. Seems to overplay his big hands.

PRE:

There is a 7 dollar straddle on and Hero raises to 25 UTG with AK and get 6 callers!! I realized later in the game that this was too small. This is the loosest game I have ever played in by far and realized after that this should have been closer to 40.

FLOP:

A83

Checks to hero who bets 60. Folds around to V who goes all in for 183 total. Hero???
Why are you betting only 60 in to 175 on that board vs 6 callers? I'd bet 120 on that flop. As played though you still need to just call it off. I mean you need to call 120 to win about 515. You are getting over 4 to 1 and he could easily have just a flush draw or even a worse A since you made kind of a weak bet on the flop. This is a pretty easy call.
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05-22-2014 , 10:33 PM
Snap call as someone said
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05-22-2014 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
If it limps around, fine, AKs plays just fine multiway.
Whaaaaaaaaat?

I don't like this for the exact same reason this hand got posted in the first place. Villain has Aces up every god damn time.

but on this hand, as played.....snapcall/fistpump
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05-23-2014 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by SpexDome
Whaaaaaaaaat?
All suited broadway hands play well in multiway limped pots that have high SPRs, where we can simply play them postflop for their nuttish flush/straight making ability (while playing very cautiously/nitty with only TP). It's never the end of the world if we happen to see a multiway limped flop with these hands, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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