1/3, Hero $900, CO $300, UTG $150

99 HJ 15 over UTG limp, CO (tight) calls, UTG (random) calls..

Flop ($50): QJ3r
Checks through

Turn ($50): 2ss
Check, Check, CO bets $20, UTG calls, Hero folds

River ($90): X
Check, Check

UTG shows K4ss
CO shows A5dd

Think I played the hand pretty standard, was planning to call turn but once UTG called, I felt I was behind a lot to Jx mainly but turns out they both had *******.

Should I be cbetting flop or making a feeler bet OTT? I’m definitely not overcalling turn once someone else calls but IDK.


Edit: I just got into a similar spot again... HJ (100) limps, BTN (1500) makes it 15, SB (300, tighty calls), Hero (1000) calls JTcc in BB, HJ calls

FLOP (60): KJ4r
Checks through

TURN (60): 9ss
Checks to BTN who bets 25, SB calls, And I’m forced to fold, HJ folds

RIVER blanks out and SB takes it down with A9dd vs BTN’s AQo.

Hero pukes.

IMO as played is completely standard

don't over think it

your multiway with 2 over cards (first hand)

why do we bet?

to get worse hands to calls and better hands to fold

a bet on this board will not accomplish this

plus we are oop

multiway hands we need to be at the top part of our range a lot to continue or have good amount of equity

these are fine folds man like I said don't over think it you cant win every hand you play

You can bet the turn with 99.

Both are played as standard set mines / hit a hand. I think you fairly standard options for both the hands.

1st hand easily could have led flop for $30 or c/r’d turn for $65. Both will work a high percent of time.

2nd hand i’m Definitely calling turn action. With J pair and gutter ball.

I think you played both hands correctly, and just ran into a few rare spots. Would need pretty strong reads that villains could show up with the types of hands they did, before I play either of those hands differently.

I think you could consider raise turn on the second hand, but I think calling is the worst option.

I know.. I was debating it.. but it puts me in an awkward spot OTR if CO calls, no? Like in this case, he’ll probably float turn with his A5dd and bluff the missed SD OTR when I check putting me to a decision. Or maybe I’m overthinking it and he would just check it back like what he did here.

Agree with you on the second hand, but what’s your logic of cbetting flop on Hand 1?? Also, what exactly are you repping with a turn c/r??

Can you explain why we need to turn this hand into a bluff? I’m fairly ahead of BTNs turn betting range as he would cbet flop with TP. It’s only once the tight SB calls that I’m worried about my hand. Guess my reads on SB were wrong after seeing him call with third pair lol. Either way, check/raise bluffing turn seems kind of suicidal with a SDV hand when SB might show up with some random 2p and decide to go with it.

sb MIGHT have some random 2 pair but I think every time he doesn’t, we get a fold. We block top 2 and have a handful of cards to improve which makes me feel like it’s a good candidate for a semi bluff and could even possibly get value from a spade draw. I know that neither had a King, but when there’s a bet and a call, atleast in my games it’s very likely one of the two has a King or a better Jack. Maybe bluff raise is a bit ambitious, but if Sb is tight I think we can get him off one pair by the river.

Could rep AQ, JJ or QQ. V’s could easily check the strong flop then c/r on turn. Certainly wouldn’t do it every time but basically w/ ATC i think i’d Make this move 25-40% of the time against this action. Could also easily mix in a value call 10% of the time.

Not saying it’s great for every H or against every line up but I make a lot of money being sticky in these situations.

Why? I’d assume i’m Ahead with very few bad rivers. I don’t mind keeping V wide as well. Certainly may have to call thin again on the river but I believe that line in this siuation is solidly +EV.

I agree. I think hand 2 is too strong to turn into a bluff. Hand 1 isn’t strong enough to rely on SDV and should be more cakes or turned into a bluff.

Then you cross that bridge when you get there.

If the backdoor draw misses, as does the KT and 9T OESD and he bets some brick on the river than you can pretty easily call.

I'm not going to give someone credit for a big hand when they check back a QJ3 flop after the PFR x, flats a bet on the turn when more draws become available and then bets a complete brick on the river.

This is what hand reading and ranging is all about.

Hand 1: I bet OTT 25-30. Flop check standard.

Hand 2: I probably call and want to take second pair to showdown as cheaply as possible, though I think a raise could work, too, if SB is the passive type to c/c top pair, but fold to more aggression. SB probably doesn't show up with 2P+ here considering his super passive line. I cap him at like KT.

H1:

Regarding preflop, if your opponents are better at stealing pots postflop than you are (as evidenced by this hand) then it's possibly you might want to reconsider building bigger pots for them to steal by raising preflop.

Think I'm actually cool with the hand as played. ETA: Just noticed we checked the turn after the flop checked thru and UTG checked the turn (I initially thought we were facing a turn bet); I might lean towards a bet here.


H2:

Unless there are some droolers in the hand, and although we're getting a good price (especially against deep Button) plus it looks like it's going to go 4ways, I'm not 100% convinced it's profitable OOP. Certainly not horrible; but the only question that matters is whether it's going to be profitable.

I'm cool with flop.

I'd consider calling the turn (I might even donk when flop checks thru and SB checks the turn, although I don't hate setting up bluffcatchers either). Did SB really just check TP twice as the board is getting more drawy? I doubt it. And Button could be betting anything, although QT did just get there.

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It'll be an easy call since most 1/3 players aren't good enough to bet a jack there for value.

Correct. Does their river bet size affect your decision though in this situation? Ideally, it shouldn’t but it seems the bigger bets are more likely to be bluffs whereas the small ones are weighted towards value.