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07-13-2017 , 03:08 AM
7-handed 1/3

Tight Hero ($600) OTB raises to $20 AKdd over 2 fishy limpers, SB, BB and limpers calls

Flop ($80): J98r (1 diamond, no clubs)
Checks around

Turn ($80): Kc
Checks to Hero who bets $55, SB ($160) calls, BB shoves all-in for $160, Hero ??

BB is a MAWG and hasn't played too many hands.
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07-13-2017 , 03:34 AM
What's SB stack? Is he already folding and just waiting for you or is he keeping his composure?

Sick spot. BB could be over playing KQ or KT depending upon how fishy he is, maybe even JT. ****ty thing about turn is QT, which already flopped the goods, wouldn't feel the pressure to bet. I'd be surprised to see BB check twice w/ 88 99 and sometimes T7 tho. But tbh, some players, especially MAWG, will just keep checking to raise/jam. Usually with flopped goods like straights.

I'd probably let this go without a read that BB could be spazzing out
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07-13-2017 , 03:46 AM
Turn is too big if you're gonna bet at all.
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07-13-2017 , 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
Turn is too big if you're gonna bet at all.

You think checking is better after 3 ppl checked twice to you OTB?
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07-13-2017 , 04:58 AM
This looks like T7 or QT unless the BB is a maniac. Doubtful crai with just a pair. He's just being trappy, as fish like to be, IMO.
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07-13-2017 , 05:21 AM
I would raise more pre with two limpers. 25-30, unless you expect 20 to get it heads up/3 ways often in your game.

I consider a cbet on this flop. Yes, it connects with villains' calling ranges, but there are a lot of good turn barrelling opportunities with backdoor nut straight, nut flush draws and two overs. I'm ok with checking back considering there are 5 players, more likely to take the aggro line with 1 to 2 opponents.

Now an easy fold. Definitely screams nut straight unless history suggests the villian has spaz tendencies.

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07-13-2017 , 08:25 AM
Agree with StacknLikeCordWood. Raise more pre-flop and C-bet this flop and barrel lots of turns.
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07-13-2017 , 08:52 AM
Turn bet seems like a fine size given the wetness of the board.

Fold now to a raise after a call.
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07-13-2017 , 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Shai Hulud
...C-bet this flop and barrel lots of turns.
You're out of your mind if you want to c-bet J98 with AK.
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07-13-2017 , 09:24 AM
I don't like a c-bet on this flop. Turn bet is fine...now fold to the raise. You still have the SB to worry about as well.
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07-13-2017 , 09:44 AM
Isn't the pot $100-rake instead of $80 OTF? 2 limpers + blinds + us = 5 people to the flop?

Betting flop seems like lighting money on fire.

I'd bet turn.

I'm probably just rejamming now. We are ahead of SB's range and if I'm right about the pot size on the flop, when it gets back to us on the turn, the pot is ~$365. We have to call $105 more. SB is probably sigh calling off with his draw or whatever too.
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07-13-2017 , 09:47 AM
I think B/f turn is optimal, wp. When I see this flop with AK im mostly done with the hand. Cbetting here means you cbet way too often.
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07-13-2017 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow
You're out of your mind if you want to c-bet J98 with AK.
Maybe. I do have some maniacal tendencies. I'm not expecting all immediate folds but we can barrel a lot of turns. To be clear though I meant we should raise more pre-flop and then C-bet this flop presumably with fewer callers. I wouldn't do it 5-way. Lots of players will peel once with a draw and give it up facing a large turn bet. We can also bomb most rivers if the turn was a good barreling card and we're down to one opponent.

Whether I'd do this in practice depends on tendencies of villains who called. If one or more is a station then I just check behind.
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07-13-2017 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Shai Hulud
Maybe. I do have some maniacal tendencies. I'm not expecting all immediate folds but we can barrel a lot of turns. To be clear though I meant we should raise more pre-flop and then C-bet this flop presumably with fewer callers. I wouldn't do it 5-way. Lots of players will peel once with a draw and give it up facing a large turn bet. We can also bomb most rivers if the turn was a good barreling card and we're down to one opponent.

Whether I'd do this in practice depends on tendencies of villains who called. If one or more is a station then I just check behind.
This is what I meant as well, if you read my original post. Cbetting here into 5 opponents, yes, is crazy. But heads up or 3ways in position, and I think it's actually a good board to cbet flop/barrel turns when we pick up equity. A lot of weak villians in my game will peel the turn with hands like Jx or 9x (putting us on a draw) and then fold when a Q or T turns and we barrel. These are both scare cards, and give us additional equity. I'm also considering barreling any diamond. One thing we have going for us, that I look for in my cbet/barrel situations is that our backdoor straight and flush draws are both nutted.

Everyone's competition is different, but this kind of play prints money against the more weak/passive villians in my game, and I'm not taking this line against the more stationy ones.

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07-13-2017 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Shai Hulud
Agree with StacknLikeCordWood. Raise more pre-flop and C-bet this flop and barrel lots of turns.

You gotta be kidding. Cbet 4-ways on a J98 board?
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07-13-2017 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by momo_uk
You gotta be kidding. Cbet 4-ways on a J98 board?
See the past two posts....

And you're 5-ways. Or else misreported the action. 2 limpers + SB + BB + you = 5. Though in that case the pot size should be $100.
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07-13-2017 , 10:17 PM
Really easy fold imo, he shoved less than pot over 2 players, 1 pair is rarely good here and we're dead vs a straight.
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07-13-2017 , 10:22 PM
Cbetting heads up on this flop with backdoor flush draw would be burning money

Check turn
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07-15-2017 , 04:06 AM
Well, I called and the other caller (BB) folded AK face up!

V obv had QTo. Hee-haw.
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07-15-2017 , 10:12 AM
Thia is just a bad board to get involved with. Not sure about betting turn. Im hoping to show down asap. Might check it back to play a river. Sizing is suboptimal too but i cant think of a decent size so prob just check

Call as played i think
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07-15-2017 , 07:41 PM
Like the check on the flop. Fold the turn, BB is too strong here and SB already called your bet. We still don't know what he's going to do. You're just in a bad spot q,10 very possible here.
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