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1/3 AA should I have played differently? 1/3 AA should I have played differently?

12-31-2014 , 03:47 AM
Villain: 25-30 yr old black male who is currently chip leader at table with about 700$. Hero has bluffed him twice with big overbets on river which he tank folded to. Villain has also shown a big bluff. (I never showed my bluffs) We have been slightly trash talking across the table but I feel I have a better idea of where I am in a hand against him than he does. That being said I consider him one of the better players at the table.

Villain limps on Cutoff and it folds to me in small blind. I look down at AA and make it 26$ (lol) and BB (newguy) and Villain both call. Flop comes 467 and Hero leads out for 35$. bB instafolds and Villain calls in position :/. Turn is 4 and Hero checks with intention of possibly setting trap, but also keeping pot right where it's at and perhaps give Villain a chance to Catch up with facecard on river. Villain looks at me all funny and stuff and makes some comment about "what are you being tricky with a set of sixes?" And proceeds to check. River is a K and I decide to place a bet of 100$ hoping something like AK or KQ got there and calls. Or since he's seen me bet big before on river will call with 88+ or maybe even a 7.

Would love to discuss other possible lines I could have taken.

Last edited by iraisetoomuch; 12-31-2014 at 11:49 AM. Reason: Edited for results.
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12-31-2014 , 07:17 AM
$26 seems a bit excessive preflop in this spot. It worked this time but in general you are probably throwing away a lot of value. Setting a trap is just horrible. You shouldn't be setting any traps. You should be betting your hand for value vs a wide range of hands that have equity. Even terrible players like this guy can sniff out a possible slow play. Bet/fold the turn. If he calls the turn then bet the river for value.

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12-31-2014 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Octavian
Why are you age/racial profiling people?
Not sure if serious. Why aren't you?

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Originally Posted by Octavian
- What makes a difference in his ability of playing poker?
We can draw inferences on how a player is likely to play based on things such as this that may on the surface seem purely superficial. I was nearly going to say that these things don't make a difference in one's ability to play poker but that would most certainly be false when it comes to age.

Anecdotally, I've been told by multiple people that TJ Cloutier is an overrated/bad poker player because he does this or that wrong. My response to them is how many 75 year olds have you played with that play as good as him? We can only hope that when we are 75 that we can still be competitive in tournaments or cash games. AGE MATTERS.

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Profiling opponents in your own mind it may be your business but to do on an open forum becomes disgusting and it shows you're the real fish around.

You played your AA the most horrible way. Stop playing poker and investigate slot-machines for a change
You appear to have other issues. The psychology subforum may be a good place to start resolving them.
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12-31-2014 , 08:45 AM
NH you lost the min. Octavian is a ******. Ignore him.

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12-31-2014 , 09:35 AM
It's not uncommon to lose the minimum when you misplay a hand. By contrast, if hero had the best hand, which he does the vast majority of times here then he would have won the minimum.
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12-31-2014 , 12:00 PM
I like our seat, in position against one of the better / deeper plays at the table, nice.

Without knowing our stack size, I don't see how we can make any comments whatsoever about the line.

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12-31-2014 , 01:03 PM
Bet the turn
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12-31-2014 , 02:25 PM
Grunch.

Line is okay I guess... But the standard in this spot is to just bet three streets for value. If I thought Villain was the float and steal type, then I don't mind going for a check OTT to bait him into betting with worse.
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12-31-2014 , 02:56 PM
Lol wish I could see this guy Octavians post but it's gone haha. Also my stack was ~ $320 at this point. Obviously very important info.
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12-31-2014 , 03:02 PM
I would sometimes bet turn and sometimes pot control. The preflop bet obviously creates a strange situation and there is a dynamic between the players.

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12-31-2014 , 03:13 PM
If we are starting with $320 and think we can get away with a fairly big $26 open raise, then I would attempt to get it even bigger (to $30+) so that I can simply stack off postflop having put in close to 10% of my stack. Open limp by CO also might indicate he is trying to get tricky with a big hand (where he's likely to call a big raise).

I'd rather we went HU than 3way, but in the end the SPR is ~4 and we has top overpair, so I think I feel pretty committed for stacks on the flop. There's a decent amount of scare cards, so I think I would just pot the flop to setup a turn shove.

Having said that, against bluffy villains who might float flops in position looking to steal on later streets, I don't hate our turn plan. As played, I'm torn on the river whether to bet for value or to check once more to induce (cuz it seems that is the route we took on the turn, although the K ain't a great card as now it looks like our AK just got there).

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12-31-2014 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverLosesAtPoker
$26 seems a bit excessive preflop in this spot.
Admitteldy perhaps too results oriented, but in the end we got called by 2 players (lolz).

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12-31-2014 , 05:38 PM
I think checking turn is fine, but not because we are setting a trap. We're oop, deep (?) against a thinking player when we've turned our hand face up with a very large pre-flop open. This board hits his range much harder than ours. Value betting the river pretty much always given history. Well played.
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01-01-2015 , 02:33 PM
I think betting the turn would have been the best play since he may have been drawing to a straight draw with something like 56 or even 45. In the 56 case your giving him an unnecessary free card. And in the 45 case he is actually trapping you. I did not see the results, but I suspect that he has 45 and pumps you on the river, in which you call?

Betting the turn gives you a gauge of he is.
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01-02-2015 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoLex
I think checking turn is fine, but not because we are setting a trap. We're oop, deep (?) against a thinking player when we've turned our hand face up with a very large pre-flop open. This board hits his range much harder than ours. Value betting the river pretty much always given history. Well played.
Checking turn is terrible.

If hand is turned face up then thats heros fault for being so readable with bet sizing
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01-02-2015 , 01:33 PM
Not so sure I would check Turn here OOP. You allow him to play 'perfect' on River if you lead out. If you were IP, then checking Turn allows him opportunity to bluff River. Either way you are still offering a free card to a player who gives/gets action ... does he really have a 4 or straight here? Bet ...

Yes, keep overbetting Rivers if you feel like you are ahead (and going to call a raise) until he 'finally' gives in and pays you off. Treat him differently than all the others at the table, he will catch on and pay you off .. but don't bluff anymore as twice is quite often enough against a player like this in one session. GL
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01-02-2015 , 03:40 PM
I love how you played the hand. Love the $26 raise pre especially since you got no respect with two callers.

I also agree with check on the turn.

Well played!
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01-02-2015 , 04:23 PM
Checking the turn is definitely terrible. You should be taking a super standard bet/bet/bet line. You are costing yourself a ton of value if you don't bet this turn. The fact that he had the holdings he had on the flop (results currently hidden) should tell you everything you know about how these guys will pay you off with worse.
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