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1/3 A3ss on 3324 double c/r! 1/3 A3ss on 3324 double c/r!

04-16-2019 , 06:03 PM
Hi all,

1/3. V is 30 y/o WG who is in for at least $800 after losing a big pot where he flopped middle/bottom against top two in a big pot. (He showed up with J8 and called a hefty raise with it too, so he is playing wider probably hoping to get unstuck.)

A couple limpers and hero overlimps MP A3ss. Two more limpers including SB/V.

Flop ($18): 3-3-2s. I bet $10, two callers, SB min c/r to $20. We all call.

Turn ($98): 4s. Now I have trips top kicker and a straight flush draw. SB checks, hero bets $40, all fold to SB who CRAI for hero's $200 effective. Isn't this always 22? Can't put him on any straights that would c/r a gutshot, and 3x is pretty unlikely given we have one.

Would you ever fold to this V? What about a nit?

Thanks,
DT
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04-16-2019 , 06:09 PM
Not folding here at all. 0% chance. Definitely not always 22. Against an Uber nit maybe it’s a gold but nits wouldn’t check raise twice either.
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04-16-2019 , 06:26 PM
Lol quit being results oriented and gii, 3b flop and raise pre for the lord aboves sake.
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04-16-2019 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Whitemarbles
Lol quit being results oriented and gii, 3b flop and raise pre for the lord aboves sake.
+1

Time for you to start putting more pressure and stacking off lighter. (I’m in a similar spot. Too nitty/folding and need to develop my game into more raising/pressure.)

Just make sure you don’t make the same mistakes twice, but you gotta be ok with losing in spots and learning.
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04-16-2019 , 10:52 PM
Snap call
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04-16-2019 , 11:11 PM
You could easily be folding trips better kicker to trips, no kicker here.
Plus you have a redraw.
Obvious snap call.
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04-17-2019 , 02:44 AM
Dumb spot because it's a limped pot but you only need K3 in V's range to make calling even money against all boat combos. I'm not folding here.
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04-17-2019 , 05:46 AM
Snap. Reload if you're beat.
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04-17-2019 , 07:44 AM
Bet flop bigger, bet turn bigger, now snapcall obviously.

You're probably also better off just moving down.
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04-17-2019 , 11:02 AM
I'm ok with preflop (at tougher tables with lottsa raising behind us I think a fold is also ok from MP, but if the limpers are meh then I'm doing my best to see a cheap flop with them).

Postflop for me really boils down to not going broke in a limped pot. It's a little unclear exactly what we started with ($220? $260?). So I'm fine with the flop bet, but facing a minraise and 2 callers to boot I think I'm ok with just flatting. And when the check/raiser checks the turn (possibly now slowing down cuz he thinks his 3 is no good) I'm ok with betting on this drawy board. But when check/raised again against the world (when anyone could have easily turned a straight and it's obvious that at least one of his 3 opponents must have a 3), I then do think about folding. But I'm nitty like that in limped pots.

ETA: I totally missed the fact we picked up the flush draw on the turn, which makes things even weirder (I think you could even argue for a check on the turn if we're not looking to commit UI). I'm obviously in the minority (the only one?) but we're fricken 4ways to the turn on a raised flop; most players get super MUBSy at this point with any non nut naked 3x (and for good reason) and often start entering check/call mode, not check/ship it against the world (and ditto for anything else on paired boards). The only thing that is a little questionable is that he's jamming (a lotta players might not want to scare off the draws at this point with a boat), but it's really not that much of a jam into a $140 pot (and maybe he does get action, who knows).

Gtoughspot,imoG

Last edited by gobbledygeek; 04-17-2019 at 11:09 AM.
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04-17-2019 , 11:14 AM
Not to pile on, but this difficult spot arose from H's failure to re-raise on the flop.

From your description of V, he tends to overplay his hands. I could see him playing 54 exactly this way - raising flop to build pot and x/r turn with straight re-draw and top two. The rarer 53 might take this same line.

Why would he check this turn board with 22? I can't imagine he is going to risk having his boat checked through and the river bricking some random action-killing overcard. Nobody showed any particular abnormal flop aggression so he would have every reason to fear turn would check through. For sure V has to expect the overcallers to just peel this wet turn.

When you led out turn he figured you for A2/A4 with gutter/flush redraw or worse yet what you actually have - A3 (you have no ridiculous 3x/4x in your MP limp range). Now he needs to jam you off your hand by repping a monster.

I find a call here getting 3-2 expecting to be ahead more often than not.

Last edited by Spanishmoon; 04-17-2019 at 11:22 AM.
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04-17-2019 , 01:31 PM
Snap call.
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04-17-2019 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
Bet flop bigger, bet turn bigger, now snapcall obviously.

You're probably also better off just moving down.
OK, I'll stick with my 0.25/0.5 home games. I'm clearly too MUBSy for 1/3. Thanks!
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04-17-2019 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
OK, I'll stick with my 0.25/0.5 home games. I'm clearly too MUBSy for 1/3. Thanks!
Sorry, thought this was 2/5 for some reason.
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04-17-2019 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
OK, I'll stick with my 0.25/0.5 home games. I'm clearly too MUBSy for 1/3. Thanks!
Move down to playmoney, LDO. /s
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04-17-2019 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
Move down to playmoney, LDO. /s
Lol. Don't worry, I eventually called. But I was pretty worried about 22.

I'm glad to see everyone else would call (except GG - nit!).
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04-17-2019 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
Lol. Don't worry, I eventually called. But I was pretty worried about 22.

I'm glad to see everyone else would call (except GG - nit!).
C’mon man! Don’t leave us hanging.

What happened?
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04-17-2019 , 05:32 PM
Never folding because we can beat bands he has for value.
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04-17-2019 , 05:36 PM
He showed up with J3o. I hold.
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04-17-2019 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
He showed up with J3o. I hold.
Good! Now put a dollar in the jar for not raising the flop.

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