1/3/6 NLH match the stack
1,500 effective w main Villain.

Preflop:
Folds to loose (pre) passive player in the LJ who opens to 20 (has us covered).
We are in the CO with 54cc we flat.
Reason for flatting is, button is super fun splashy player, blinds aren’t squeezing enough and we’re super deep w/ Btn and LJ.
Button, splashy fun player flats. We head to the flop 3 ways.

Flop:
6s 3h 2s
LJ leads for 35. We call. Btn raises to 135. LJ folds. Us?

After some discussion, I will post how the rest of the hand went.

Thanks for feedback!

I fold pre but that's just me.

If we were later in position and a few other people called the 20 then yeah I would call but not when I'm next to act.

As played I'm def raising the button (there's also merit to raising the LJ) and will be happy to gii there.

*(results aren't allowed for 24hrs to let enough ppl give their opinions without being biased by seeing results)

Thanks for feed back. To be more clear, I was in the cutoff. The initial raiser was in the LJ. And fun player was on the button.

Id pop it again and try to get it in since we are deep and a lot of cards will kill our action or beat us. This guy probably thinks 77 is the nuts here or he may have some kind of combo draw.

Im thinking pop it to 500 or 600 is good and jam safe turns.

If button is super aggressive I can see flatting here and letting him hang himself on later streets. But I think correct play this deep is to start piling chips in ourselves. About a third of the deck will change the nuts on each subsequent streets and if button is on a draw you're only getting one more street of value from a clean runout.

"Splashy fun players" would call almost any sizing with a flush draw even if they saw your hand. It's the thrill of sucking out. And he's not folding a set. I'd go to $550 and jam any safe turn.

[QUOTE=donkatruck;58455203]If button is super aggressive I can see flatting here and letting him hang himself on later streets. But I think correct play this deep is to start piling chips in ourselves./QUOTE]

Yeah this player can definitely take aggressive lines. Likes to gamble too. I’ve seen him pile chips in w/ bare As on monotone flops for heaps. He can do funny stuff like that at times.

Absolutely raise the flop and try to gii before an action-killing card hits.

PRE - calling 54s seems fine / isn't terrible, depending on whether or not the $20 open size tells anything, and depending on reads / tells.

FLOP - Hmmm...I could go either way, raise now, or wait to x/r turn.

Both have their merits, again, depending on our reads / tells. Like, does the splashy fun guy suddenly seem strangely quiet, or is he giving anything away with some speech-play?

If we back-raise flop, our hand is going to be pretty face-up, especially if V has 66. It's also possible BTN could have 54ss, and be free-rolling to the flush. We could be coolering ourselves by raising here.

If we think BTN might have slow-played a big PP pre, or is over-playing 77-99, or might have flopped 2P or a set, or is drawing to a flush, and will want to get it in now, okay, we can raise.

If we think BTN is capable of finding a fold here, but might feel compelled to continue betting on most turn cards, checking disguises our hand strength, and could help us avoid a cooler.

We don't want to scare away V's ace-wheel combos or over-pairs that might take this line. I might want to slow-play our hand a little, see if the turn is another spade, and possibly donk-bet on any non-spade disconnected brick.

I 100% considered back raising, but for said reason, I didn’t. Would look too strong. However, if the HJ would have called the raise, I would have 100% back raised.
This V is pretty strong here as he would most likely just call w his draws, so I kind of excluded (not completely) any flush draws or combo draws. He would potentially play 77-TT this way.
I wanted to keep his over pairs in there and any other strong holdings. Obv we can just go into check call mode if nasty run out occurs…

Reveal:

I think you played it fine. If he is always calling when you jam a blank turn, you have considerably more equity on the turn and it is maybe higher EV to wait until then to jam.

I like it. Nice hand. Thanks for posting.

I don't know if 1/3/6 plays more like 1/3 or 2/5, but my guess is that it would play more like 2/5. At 1/3, the flop x/r after the PFR c-bets on wet boards is almost always a set or 2P. At 2/5, my observation has been that more players are willing to risk a bad run-out by waiting until the turn to x/r.

Here, if you put in a back-raise, you have few if any bluffs. It just makes our hand so face-up. If V has 54ss, he can jam, knowing that he's either going to win, or worst-case chop. Even if he's terrible, he might find the fold with 2P, and even some sets.

You got stacks in, so well played. But I'd rather donk-lead the turn, just to avoid him checking back with his draws or betting smaller than we would have, and also to make it look like we're trying to start a bluff with our draws by repping the Q.

Better to donk-bet and have him raise because he thinks we're weak than to check and hope he not only bets, but will call our check-raise, even though it's obviously very strong.

Donking turn after V raises flop won't make any sense to a good reg, but a rec-fish won't even stop to think about it, and will never come to the conclusion you're trying to induce a raise from his sets and 2P because you flopped the joint.