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08-29-2023 , 03:53 PM
Monday afternoon 1/3 game, players appear to be aggressive low class regulars.
Hero in SB with 3c3s. There is a straddle. V in UTG limps and 1 or 2 more limpers.
Hero makes it 30.
Only UTG calls. No experience playing with him.
Flop 653r. ~66$ after rake
hero bets 20. V raises 60.
Hero calls.
Turn 8h bringing two hearts on the board. (186)
Hero check. V shove 167. Hero calls.
Result: will reveal later

Analysis:
The table has been playing relatively tight, there has been some limping, but a lot of raises preflop where it folds around and the raiser picks up the blinds. Several chops as well.
With several limpers in there and the straddle seemed like a good spot to raise and take down the $20 of dead money in the pot. I don't like calling here cause with so many other players I open myself up to getting set over set with 33, this seems like raise or fold. I did get called by one player. On the flop we have a SPR of 4.
He has 2 combos of 65s, 6 combos of better sets, maybe 18 or so combos of overpairs. A lot of 4X.
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08-29-2023 , 04:54 PM
I probably just call pre, but don't hate the raise. Flop I might go closer to 30, but 20 is not horrible. I'm probably 3 bet shoving flop at this point. We're committed with a set at this point with these stack sizes, so lets just get it in.

As played, trivial call to Villains shove.
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08-29-2023 , 05:41 PM
Where's the straddle?

I would just see a flop here multiway limped and setmine preflop. Looks like stacks are fairly short (< 100bb, and half of that if there is a straddle on), so putting in a crapload preflop with a hand that almost always flops horrible and OOP isn't my preference. Yeah, small pairs aren't always awesome in multiway pots due to RIO (especially at more aware tables), but I'm still perfectly happy to flop a set in a high SPR pot and then play appropriately postflop.

SPR is ~4 and we haz a set, so for better or worse (due to preflop) we're committed for the remaining stacks barring horrendous runouts, imo. So I'd attempt to get them in ASAP, especially since there are some action killing cards. So I'd probably bet larger and then reraise his flop raise (especially OOP, as enabling him to check thru the turn would be a disaster).

Also snap calling the turn and living with our preflop decision.

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08-29-2023 , 05:45 PM
UTG straddle
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08-29-2023 , 07:15 PM
Think its played fine. 33 to $30 is a little loose, but can make you potentially harder to play against. You are shallow enough, no need to 3b the flop and scare away 1010, 99 or some hand like that. You should not have many sets, but if you 3b jam this flop Im assuming you have AA or KK or did indeed put all the pocket pairs into your $30 raise the table when its straddled move. So it becomes an easy game for V I think if you jam flop on a rainbow low board. He just has to know if he beats KK or is getting pot odds to call with his A4s or whatever vs all the remaining combos of KK and AA and maybe 6 combos of sets.
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08-30-2023 , 11:44 AM
I think pre is torching money, you have much better hands to raise and can just limp this. If you have a raise or fold range from SB in limped pots it's probably a bad strat. at 1/3 ... and I guess this is a fold or maybe a very low freq. raise.

Post seems fine.
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08-30-2023 , 05:04 PM
I dislike the raise. We're going to get called and then play a relatively large pot OOP with a hand with low playability.

Post is whatever, I 3bet jam flop being OOP but I don't think call, x expecting another bet - call, is controversial.
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08-31-2023 , 12:13 PM
I agree about pre

Quote:
Originally Posted by ylizarin
players appear to be aggressive low class regulars.
What does low class equate to specifically regarding their read?
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09-03-2023 , 04:27 PM
Not sure about your read: aggressive players generally don’t limp.
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09-04-2023 , 05:39 AM
Pre is bad.

We don't need to have small pair ISO raises in the worst position on the table.
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09-04-2023 , 06:36 AM
pref overlimp >> isor oop, as played flop cb/3b jam
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10-03-2023 , 02:14 PM
V has 4d2d for flopped straight
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10-03-2023 , 07:56 PM
Preflop is horrible especially considering how short you are with the first UTG limper who is the most likely to call. I would just flick in the $5 pre.

Flop you can just 3bet get it in considering how short you are. Obviously call turn as played.
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10-04-2023 , 11:55 PM
Pre is not good. Overlimp this hand. You want high spr for hitting your set. You dmsay you don't want to get set over set, but pocket pairs are very likely going to call if they limped in.

Picking up dead money is nice, but I wo
ould rather do it with a hand like KQo, KTs+, ATs+, A5s, A4s, AQo+, maybe AJo, 99+, maybe 88-77.

If I was going to iso pre, I would go 5x for one limper, 6x for 2, 7x for three, and so on. Maybe even add 1x for being out of position. So like 45-50 is good, assuming a $6 straddle. But again, I wouldn't iso your hand.
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