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1/2nl Turned nut flush on paired board 175BB deep 1/2nl Turned nut flush on paired board 175BB deep

08-07-2011 , 01:35 AM
1/2nl 10 handed, get dealt AQ of spades in late-middle position. UTG limps, folds to me, I make it 10, two calls behind, big blind calls, limper calls.

Villain is the BB. I am $350 deep and he covers. He is a fairly solid regular, but we have a bit of history. Mostly it's just been us raising each other with good hands and the other making a fold that most 1/2 players gasp at but are all good folds. However, we have made plays against each other and while we are both tight players, we both know the other is capable of making plays.

Flop (51): Ks 9c 7s

Villain bets out 30, limper folds, I call, two folds behind

I'm called this bet with my nut spades because I feel like villain would have checked most of his big hands here and is trying to head of a bigger c-bet since he has seen me c-bet big after raising pre-flop with some consistency. Because of this, I feel like his most likely range is SD/FD combos or pair+ type hands.

It is worth noting that most of these hands should be in his range since he was one of the last to call my raise preflop getting enticing odds.

Turn (106 after rake): 9s

I hit the flush but the paired board worries me a little. To my surprise villain checks. I bet out 80, mostly for value from worse flushes or a hand like 9T that now has trips. Villain then makes it 225, so 145 to me.

Because villain knows I can float the flop with a lot of hands and rep spades whether I have them or not, I feel like he would make this raise with worse hands so I ship for the rest which is less than a min raise.

I would wait to post results but its pretty obvious since I'm posting this hand in the first place that villain was full (K9) and I lost a big pot. Regardless of that, I'm wondering if anyone can find a fold on the turn or if this is just a standard cooler. Might be a stupid question but when you're downswingin, you start to question everything. Thanks for responses.
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08-07-2011 , 02:22 AM
Tough spot....I would bet about ~55 on turn (half pot or so) and sometimes chk behind. Sounds like you really put him on a flush draw and thought you were good. Would this guy commit with a worse hand? I think he would have chk/called a flush here. From what you said Villain is a pretty good player and I don't see him stacking off against you as a bluff when he can run over most of the others at the table.
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08-07-2011 , 05:12 AM
When someone bets into 4 people on a drawy board, you should worry less about their history with you.

Call on the flop is fine. Hard to comment on the turn as OP gave away the results. Fwiw, if we check behind on the turn I think we get a good sense of the strength of villain's hand by the river action.
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08-07-2011 , 06:31 AM
i remember someone taking this line against me (bet flop, c\r turn) and it was a bluff. This said many players check the turn when the flush completes.

Most likely villain outleveled you. he put you on a flush draw and when the gin card hit he thought he had you hooked and that you wouldn't lay down a flush.

it really depends on your read.
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08-07-2011 , 09:21 AM
I personally find a bet flop, C/R turn line to be SUPER strong by both solid and recreational players. Even then I think I have a very hard time folding here though.
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08-07-2011 , 11:46 AM
*Grunch*

Quote:
Originally Posted by cushlash
I'm called this bet with my nut spades because I feel like villain would have checked most of his big hands here and is trying to head of a bigger c-bet since he has seen me c-bet big after raising pre-flop with some consistency. Because of this, I feel like his most likely range is SD/FD combos or pair+ type hands.
If this read is correct, then you should not worry about the board pairing because you think he wouldn't play sets or 2 pair this way, and consequently you should play your nut flush as if you know it's good. However, if you really think this can't be a big hand, you should also consider semi-bluffing on the flop. And finally, since you posted results, it's pretty clear that your read was wrong, which is the biggest problem in this hand.
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08-07-2011 , 01:12 PM
NH, WP. Sorry for your loss.
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08-07-2011 , 01:23 PM
with your description of history im getting it in here 100% of the time. hes repping such a small range of hands and c/r there when he hits his gin card if he has a FH is kinda weird. get it in now before scare cards come off. i think youll be shown 9x here alot or smaller flushes
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08-07-2011 , 03:07 PM
Thanks for responses, seems like with no history I can fold this but given this villain/history I can't. I definitely thought about checking back the turn but I think if I'm going to do that I should just bet/fold. However, given my read/history on this villain I just can't see bet/folding the turn. Damn downswings make me nuts.
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08-07-2011 , 09:32 PM
I feel your pain, it is a tough spot. I have had this situation before. At least it was quads I paid off rather than i full house. Lol. I suspect we are beat, but I was not strong enough to lay it down, even though as soon as the board paired I knew better.
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08-07-2011 , 09:44 PM
Why is the villian leading with a 2/3 pot bet into 4 people?
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