what in the ****ing ****.

w/ regards to raising this hand from the sb, it really doesn't matter that much as long as we aren't getting blasted off seeing a flop and we are happy getting lots of money in on q or t flops.

the issue is you will miss so often and be bluffed off the hand so often that you aren't turning a profit, like your implied odds of "LOL I WON A BIG POT" are irrelevant because you will lose so many small pots to a maniac that the big pot you won doesn't cover and you won't notice it because it is a slow bleed. This is why it is called a leak.

This isn't a "sick call" as evidenced by the number of people in this thread that said they would call too. Who is to say that if a dry card hits the river and I bet again that he wouldn't shove all-in anyway? Even if I bet $60 on a dry river card and he shoves for $140 more it's still a tough call for most people without a very strong hand.

Being OOP sucks and is the one thing I hate most in poker, but against a spewtard maniac I am going to take my chances. There's a difference between being a maniac that puts you to tough decisions with lines that make sense and being a button-clicking maniac that makes random weird bets that don't compute. Against the first maniac I am not raising pre with this hand from the SB and would have just folded, against the second maniac I am raising pre 100% of the time with any decent hand.

Also I doubt we are calling here with a hand that has less absolute value since his range is so muddy

like we can't bluff catch versus maniacs with Ace high

Yes, I would definitely consider it a possibility. He raised river with low pairs or no pair on a number of hands where it was obvious the person leading into him was strong. On the hand I posted earlier in this thread where he limp/3bet to $38 and the other player's range was obviously ATs+/JJ+, he min-check/raised a AJ6 flop from $65 to $130 then snap called a shove without even having an ace. It's pretty hard to lose $1000 in 2 hours playing 1/2 without getting coolered even one time, but he managed to accomplish it.

OP played this hand %100 perfect, its exactly how I would play it except I bet $20 OTF and $45 OTT.

yes we can. not on this board though. our aces high mostly wont be just ace high on this board though.

I generally do NOT like hero calling 100bb w/ ace high reguardless of the board runout.

talk about max value lol

How I would have played it=played perfectly

ha, hand is not played perfect but it is played acceptably after PF

overall I rate it as not entirely spew

I feel like I'm one of two people in this thread who has NEVER seen a river over-bet shove with air at $1-$2 NLHE. Am I just playing in the wrong games?

I've really only seen it from very few people who are on mega tilt.

Cue maniac from this hand.