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1/2NL Red Rock: Two pair facing river shove on wet board against maniac 1/2NL Red Rock: Two pair facing river shove on wet board against maniac

01-16-2013 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
. The reality is you should have just folded your $1 preflop and moved onto the next hand.
what in the ****ing ****.

w/ regards to raising this hand from the sb, it really doesn't matter that much as long as we aren't getting blasted off seeing a flop and we are happy getting lots of money in on q or t flops.
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01-16-2013 , 04:32 PM
the issue is you will miss so often and be bluffed off the hand so often that you aren't turning a profit, like your implied odds of "LOL I WON A BIG POT" are irrelevant because you will lose so many small pots to a maniac that the big pot you won doesn't cover and you won't notice it because it is a slow bleed. This is why it is called a leak.
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01-16-2013 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Yeah but you are not going to have top pair most of the time. You are not going to be the one deciding to get stacks in. Since he has last position, it is the villain who gets to decide every single time whether he wants to call or call off or shove etc.

I understand your POV, you are more than willing to let him overplay his hands and draws and donk off all his chips to you. You are more than willing to call off light vs. him. However, he gets to decide when to get his chips in, not the other way around.

1. It just so happens that you hit strong enough to call off.

2. It just so happens the board ran out in your favor. Think about it ... if a dry card hits OTR you are probably betting for value and he folds. That's the power of position.

This thread is very results oriented, right down to the subtle "I made this sick call vs. a donk and I won the monies" brag.
This isn't a "sick call" as evidenced by the number of people in this thread that said they would call too. Who is to say that if a dry card hits the river and I bet again that he wouldn't shove all-in anyway? Even if I bet $60 on a dry river card and he shoves for $140 more it's still a tough call for most people without a very strong hand.

Being OOP sucks and is the one thing I hate most in poker, but against a spewtard maniac I am going to take my chances. There's a difference between being a maniac that puts you to tough decisions with lines that make sense and being a button-clicking maniac that makes random weird bets that don't compute. Against the first maniac I am not raising pre with this hand from the SB and would have just folded, against the second maniac I am raising pre 100% of the time with any decent hand.
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01-16-2013 , 04:49 PM
Also I doubt we are calling here with a hand that has less absolute value since his range is so muddy

like we can't bluff catch versus maniacs with Ace high
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01-16-2013 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Come on, man. You really think if you make a value bet on a dry river he's going to shove?

You can play however you want though. Like 11t said no sense in beating a dead horse.
Yes, I would definitely consider it a possibility. He raised river with low pairs or no pair on a number of hands where it was obvious the person leading into him was strong. On the hand I posted earlier in this thread where he limp/3bet to $38 and the other player's range was obviously ATs+/JJ+, he min-check/raised a AJ6 flop from $65 to $130 then snap called a shove without even having an ace. It's pretty hard to lose $1000 in 2 hours playing 1/2 without getting coolered even one time, but he managed to accomplish it.
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01-16-2013 , 04:50 PM
OP played this hand %100 perfect, its exactly how I would play it except I bet $20 OTF and $45 OTT.
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01-16-2013 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Also I doubt we are calling here with a hand that has less absolute value since his range is so muddy

like we can't bluff catch versus maniacs with Ace high
yes we can. not on this board though. our aces high mostly wont be just ace high on this board though.
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01-16-2013 , 05:44 PM
I generally do NOT like hero calling 100bb w/ ace high reguardless of the board runout.
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01-16-2013 , 05:58 PM
talk about max value lol
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01-16-2013 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by bubonicplay
OP played this hand %100 perfect, its exactly how I would play it except I bet $20 OTF and $45 OTT.
How I would have played it=played perfectly
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01-16-2013 , 06:57 PM
ha, hand is not played perfect but it is played acceptably after PF

overall I rate it as not entirely spew
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01-17-2013 , 12:07 AM
I feel like I'm one of two people in this thread who has NEVER seen a river over-bet shove with air at $1-$2 NLHE. Am I just playing in the wrong games?
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01-17-2013 , 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by davomalvolio
I feel like I'm one of two people in this thread who has NEVER seen a river over-bet shove with air at $1-$2 NLHE. Am I just playing in the wrong games?
I've really only seen it from very few people who are on mega tilt.
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01-17-2013 , 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Jseeley
I've really only seen it from very few people who are on mega tilt.
Cue maniac from this hand.
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